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John and Jimmy have had there contracts terminated following yesterday's defeat.

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Yesterday's game can't have been the catalyst to this. We lost 6-0 at Wrexham and appointed acting manager Ged Brannan after that game.

There must be more than results for this decision.

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Much as Stanley have to thank Messrs Coleman and Bell for what they’ve achieved, imho, we let the wrong coach leave last summer.
Rest of this season will now be even more of a nail biter.

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Didn't see that coming. But I suppose the timing will work for both them and the club......new jobs and finding a new manager. No mention of John Doolan? Wonder if Seamus+ another player coul do a job? ......Lets hope we know the plan before Bradford comevto call....

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If this had to happen it should have either been at the end of last season or the end of this one, this smacks of either a knee jerk reaction by Andy Holt or if it was planned, he was waiting for a big loss to give him an excuse to fire them on the spot.
Last week after the game it looked to the untrained eye that bridges were being built between Andy & Coley but evidently not.
In my opinion, the statement the club has put out shows absolutely no respect for the years of service Coley & Jimmy have put into this club & I'm disgusted with the wording & briefness of it.
I just hope there is a plan in place for who steps in now, because replacing them will not be easy.
Finally I want to wish both of them the best of luck in the future

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good.

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they did a good job for years =but certanly not for the last couple of seasons.apart from sit on the wall in my view.

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the writings been on the wall for some time, Andy is a business man so I would think arrangements have already been put in place

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Correct

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Cashy.....give it a rest mate.....

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You would like to think so, but I doubt it has......




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So, they've gone..and hasn't their demeanour over the last few weeks foretold this.
The sad thing in my opinion is that they have taken the Club, as a playing force down with them. We have witnessed this week in week out and if it is a fact then it is unforgivable.
As to the future, well it seems a bleak proposition for the one who firstly has the courage to take on the job and secondly the skills to do it with the current squad ( injuries included !) who have been coached (?) in the Coleman/Bell manner and always seem under-motivtated by their joint influence. It is because of this situation that I maintain that not one of the players can be criticised or blamed for the Club's present parlous predicament.

Quo Vadis Stanley ?.. but. ON STANLEY..ON !!.

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Not really surprised but didn't expect it this morning. I think/ hope we're safe for this season because Sutton and Forest Green would need a great run of results. I can't help wondering if the proposed cuts for next season are anything to do with it and, if so, who might be prepared to take the job. Whoever it is, good luck to them.

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My post #32 on the Season Ticket thread, hinted this may happen although I am surprised at the timing. No its not due to the Wrexham result, we all saw that coming. It's about money.....either the cut to next years player budget and/or the cut or nil increase to John and Jimmy's contractual pay. It's all guesswork but Andy's in charge and can do what he want's with his own money. Let's hope his "footballing business instincs" are as sound as his "everyday business instincts".

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Deserved more than the statement shown online for the services given to the club over 20 years. Next appointment is crucial for the fans to get behind. has to be Sean mcconville for me. Level headed whenever speaking to the press an has worked with all the current squad for a while so will no individual strengths an weaknesses. Plus he just gets the club , I fear a new man with no affiliation to the fans or how the club work will end in disaster.

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For those calling for some sort of wrtten tribute to our departed managers, I don't think the club's website is the appropriate place. Surely this forum would be more suitable? Anybody up to the challenge?

Moreover, whilst I held John Coleman in high regard I don't recall either of them giving "two hoots" about the fans when they cleared off to Rochdale in 2012. Let's just keep things in perspective. Football as we know is about results AND relationships and you need both to be good to achieve success.

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😂 it’s the way you tell them….

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I know its only a few hours since the announcement but has anyone heard if the backroom staff are staying? Those other than John and Jimmy? Maybe they are the solution until a new manager is recruited?

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Writing was on the wall when they ran to Radio Lancashire passing comment about their contracts. If i was Andy Holt putting £millions into the club and community, i wouldn't be too pleased.

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Spot on, Watchdog.
John and Jimmy blew it with that ill advised stunt.

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WOW !!!..I had a feeling it would happen-all good things come to an end. Thank you John and Jimmy, you have given us all some of the biggest thrills of our life's. All the best for your futures. ON STANLEY ON.

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why hesSAT ON THE WALL FOR 2 seasons if you cant see that yer blind joe

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So, if we can have Ged back from his loan spell now please . . . . . .

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You have probably put more into the Club....................




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Let us all remember where we were when we had:- a) Leam, b) Cooky, c) Beattie in charge...............





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Wow - you're one of the reasons this forum is t what it used to be. Would you ever have dreamed Stanley got to where they got when you were a lad - no! Yes last season was poor but you so easily forget the joy they've brought this town! The end of the season would've been fitting for them and the fans.
You wanted change - you got it - be careful what you wish for.....look forward to a big name manager coming in to spend to spend Holts millions.....oh wait?!

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That’s rubbish, even if it was a joke.

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Exile, it is neither a joke, nor rubbish.........




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Ged is doing a good job.

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But there wont need to be any cuts if they bring in a manager with balls to drive the players that are surplus to requirements out of the door unlike Coleman wasnt willing to do.

In league two you can only name a squad of 22 players add half a dozen under age players to that so why the hell did Coleman need as many as 46 and thats without counting the youngsters.

No wonder AH had steam coming out of his ears when he said theres some in there that we havnt seen for 6 months.

And as for the development squad fiasco that Coleman talked Andy into why the hell couldnt they just have inserted a clause into the contracts that said something like subject to 6 months notice should the scheme to brought to an end all contracts will be become null and void on July 1st.

Anyway onwards and upwards whats needed now is a hungry up and coming non league manager who knows how to live within financial restrictions with a promotion or two on his cv so might i suggest Danny Grainger who if were lucky might be persuaded to bring with him Jammie Devitt with him.

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This from someone making 4 posts in 14 years?

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Correct me if misread, but you suggested a fan has put more money into Stanley than Andy Holt?
So, let’s just take Coley’s and Club 1968 Building which, I believe, cost £2Million.

Let’s assume it costs a fan £20 a game (much less for a season ticket holder) and they watch 50 games a season.

To match AH’s investment in that one building would require that fan to attend every home match for 2,000 seasons!

Yeah, you’re right. It’s not a joke.

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Exile, I am sorry, I am not right :)

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Oh my apologies,didnt realise that 40 years on the match didn't qualify for an opinion. Like I said, there a reason this forum isn't what it used to be - but thanks for confirming it

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No need to apologise, no one’s denying you your opinion.
But your slagging off someone else who’s made 50,000+ posts, because you don’t seem to like their opinion, and accusing them of “ruining” the Accyweb is what I find amusing.

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Many a true word spoken in jest.

He has put the club in a lot of debt to 0404, and when the club was making money due to player sales money was taken out.

He wore a protest scarf about his club owners, the Glazers, but he is similar.

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There's now an update from David Burgess on the official site:
https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...9qH49xS09WCSQw

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Half hearted attempt at damage limitation - in other words, too little too late

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It is possible that the sackings took place overnight on Saturday or early on Sunday following conversations between Andy and John/Jimmy. Stanley certainly don't have the luxury of a 24/7 Media/Publicity department.

I think the wording is good. Not sure what you expect in this situation?

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I don't think a bit of professionalism in the first place would have been asking too much tbh but maybe I expected too much

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The Sunday announcement was brief to the point of being curt, and damned them with faint (or no) praise

Today’s piece gives credit where it is/was undoubtedly due

The last couple of years haven’t been good, but many of the earlier years were.

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Personally to separate the formal decision to sack from the acknowledgment of their services was absolutely right.
How can you sack someone and in the same breath say how great they've been ?
Good move to get the official announcement out let the dust settle then acknowledge services past.
Clearly there's things been going on - some we are privy to what with BBC Lancs Andy putting the club up for sale and much we are not.
Meant in an affectionate way - we have two stubborn characters locking horns and there really wasn't a way back unless we were 4th and pushing for promotion.
Which then leads to timing.
Someone has pressed the go button when I guess the feeling of most would have been to see the season out.
Everyone will have an opinion on that so best for fans to take stock and recognise there's never going to be mass agreement on ifs but whys wherefores etc.

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why has it not been good happen cos they have been sat on the wall for the last 2 seasons

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IMHO Andy Holt has displayed the patience of a saint when it comes to our not so dearly departed management.
After last seasons fiasco, where what little budget we had was squandered on a bunch of over rated, injury prone wasters, resulting in relegation, I'm frankly surprised they were not given the boot immediately.
Even after the 'Back us or sack us!' debacle (attempted blackmail by any other name) AH still gave them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps due largely to their past record and in the hope that things may improve. Well they clearly have not.
After 35 games it's clear the club are going nowhere fast. Knocked out of both major cup ties in the first round & having taken only 5 points from the last 21 available, we've won only 3 games the whole of this year.
After Andy Holt invested millions of his own money simply because he wanted to put something back into the community, helping to turn a near bankrupt tin-pot club into one that fans could be proud of, I'm glad he bit the bullet.
Coleman & Bell have been simply going through the motions for the past two seasons.
Poor recruitment, an all too predictable never changing game-plan combined with an inability to change tactics have got us where we are today .
When you deprive fans of hope - the only thing we have, it's time for change.
There's only one football genius at Stanley and his name is Andy Holt.
I say good riddance!

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Absolutely spot on, well said that man.

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Not even half-hearted.................



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Cheer Up Val! You've a team to cheer-on on Saturday!!!!!!!!!!........of course it will take some getting used to........."sacking managers" is normally something that happens at other football clubs.........Not at Accrington Stanley.......

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Check out Andy Holt's statement about John and Jimmy's sacking on the club's website.

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I can't see it under 'News'. Do you have a link?

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Found it!

https://www.accringtonstanley.co.uk/...-and-unedited/

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thanks Andy for that statement, reading the info in this statement I don't see you had any other choice than the action you have taken, the tremendous success that John & jimmy had with such a low budget to work from will not be forgot, nor should we forget the tremendous work on the stadium and facilities that our club now enjoys thanks to Andy

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Sacked by text message - disgraceful! Wouldn't sack the milkman in that way

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What REALLY worries me is the bit about Andys funding will cease at the end of this season. ..wheres that other Stanley legend Ilyas Khan?

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Sacked by WhatsApp message 9am on a Sunday morning.

The other Statement said it was a Board decision, but not mention of that in Holt's statement.

Some new grounds to visit in 2025/26 I reckon.

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Some new grounds to visit in 2025/26 I reckon.[/QUOTE]

Maybe new grounds to visit in 25/26, but I'm very happy if that's the case.......it means were still playing football at Accrington Stanley and Andy hasn't had enough and called in the "men in grey suits" to wind things up!

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Sounds like they had enough warning Accymad. Andy didn't wait until the end of the season when they'd have had no money and little notice and time to find a new job. I don't think John Coleman will have any trouble at all in getting a new club, he's well thought of in the football league. Good luck to them both! But more importantly good luck to John Doolan for the rest of the season.....

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It's just one side of the story & not a,very professionally put one at that, in my opinion it was a personal decision not purely a business one.
Obviously my support for the team & John Doolan won't waver but the events of last weekend still leave a nasty taste

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Yes you're right, and I thought that after reading it. It is one side. Having said that I'm not really sure I'd like to hear John's view and I certainly don't want to hear anything from Bell. John may do better to keep his own council and give "his side" of the story at the end of the season. In my opinion that would be the best outcome for the clubs unity and the support of the team.

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He also said “ I have to take the club down another long term stable path”. It seems he can’t sell the club (no takers) and I read the £600k and £1million as a reference to “ that can’t happen again”, not “that’s it, I’m off”


Don’t think he’s looking at administration, from reading the whole piece …. provided we sort out where the club’s going from here. I believe there will be a big cull come the summer, and maybe we’ll play a young, keen, fit and talented team with fresh eyes from the dugout

COYR

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Frankly, how anyone can criticise Andy Holt for being unprofessional & making personal decisions is laughable!
HE OWNS THE CLUB!
Reading his statement it is fair, honest & above all logical.
If anyone has been unprofessional, it is our former management team, who tried to back AH into a corner to suit their own ends, despite failing at their jobs.
It seems some on here would rather the club ended up back in non-league than sack employees who are not up to the task at this level.
Or perhaps hound out the only man who is keeping the club afloat at his own personal expense.

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I don’t much like the tone or form of Andy’s message, and sacking people via text isn’t the most elegant way of doing things.

But from a supporter’s point of view that is cosmetics. Loyalty is a reciprocal thing, and attacking the owner for not handing out new contracts after relegation isn’t the most intelligent action, either.

There is no way Coley and Jimmy deserved new contracts after last year’s poor showing. They had done well to get us into League One, but did very poorly in getting us back down. Last year’s relegation was quite unnecessary as the bottom teams were so poor.

And as much as I wish that Andy could at times show a more polished facade, he is not wrong.

In my opinion there can be no doubt that in the end Coley got himself sacked. And although he no doubt has reservations about Andy’s description of events, I hope he will abide by Crowngrounders advice, and keep it to himself, until he is safely installed in his new job.

Thanks for the memories, John and Jimmy. It has been a good ride, quite enjoyable for the most part.

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Yes I agree with you it is a very personal decision on Andy Holt's part. What I can't forgive is Bell's interview to Radio Lancashire about contract negotiations. Just a totally unbelivable misjudgement on his (their?) part. Anyway, we now have to move on......just proves the only constant in football is the supporters.

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Haven't posted for quite a while but as a Peel Park veteran I would like to air my twopennth. Stanley are not a club that changes managers like you change your socks. Player recruitment, results and balance sheet losses + the incredible contract gripe on radio were each alone grounds for a goodbye. John n Jimmy had loads n loads of tether given to them. Inevitably it's over and in the cold light of day not unexpected. Mr Holt has done wonders for our club by digging deep into his pockets. The time is now for all Stanleyites to get behind him with the trust he so deserves. I shudder to remember that owd photo of the gasman turning up (and off) at Peel Park ? You don't move on and upwards by looking back, so come on lads n lasses - on and on with Andy Holt.