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MichiganRed 17-04-2005 21:41

Full-time v Part-time
 
I seem to recall that last year during the discussions about the club returning to full-time football, one of the arguments put forth as a benefit of such a move was the improvement of the fitness level reached and maintained by the squad. As this season draws to a close, I would like to hear your thoughts on the impact of everyday training. Has this argument proven true for the team as a whole? Are there certain players who have benefited more than others? Have any of the players regressed because of the increased workload? Are these effects cumulative? Will they carry over through the summer into next season?

big al 17-04-2005 21:53

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I consider the level that we are about to achieve is a testiment to the difference in the full time regime. Ok we may be just outside the playoffs at the end, hopefully other teams may give us the opportunity as time soon will tell. I think even so that Carlisle are the overall contenders to achieve the second spot apart from a bad performance even if we do make playoffs. Jimmy Bell told me towards the run in last season that the lads were spent & they were struggling to raise moral. The dip has been through inconsistency through the season but performance has rarely dipped badly as last seasons end. Maybe a greater squad & more competition plus ability to rest strategic members has helped. Another season including the excellent recent signings will help the club even more to gel & achieve chairman, manager, players & supporters dream of STANLEY BACK HOME IN THE LEAGUE.

Cafu01 18-04-2005 14:33

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Youve got to remember that being full time we can attract better players to the club

Morecambe_Red 18-04-2005 14:54

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Morecambe - Pride Of Lancashire And Still Number1 Conference Club In Lancashire.

Outback Ozzy 18-04-2005 15:07

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Sorry Morecambe red but not yet you are not, Stanley can still make the play-offs, and granted we will have to relyon others to assist in that aim, BUT and it is a big BUT we are still no 1 in Lancashire and so say all of us true Stanley supporters. I mean, who gets beaten by Burscough these days.

Cafu01 18-04-2005 15:12

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Originally Posted by Outback Ozzy
Sorry Morecambe red but not yet you are not, Stanley can still make the play-offs, and granted we will have to relyon others to assist in that aim, BUT and it is a big BUT we are still no 1 in Lancashire and so say all of us true Stanley supporters. I mean, who gets beaten by Burscough these days.

We need a miracle to make the play offs this year :)
Automatic promotion next year for us though!!!!

Wynonie Harris 18-04-2005 15:20

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Yep - we're going to do a Barnet next season!!

Cafu01 18-04-2005 15:56

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We will sign some quality players in the summer

John_Timmins 18-04-2005 17:05

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i think the change from part time to full time will not really be felt until next year when all of the players are used to it and therefore do not get tired when traning more frequently which has probably taken it out of some of them at this later stages of the season

Bazf 18-04-2005 17:24

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Originally Posted by Cafu01
We will sign some quality players in the summer

Good thought but who do you let go and if it was possible who would you sign?

Smiffy16 18-04-2005 17:28

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I would sign a Central Midfielder who has lots of experience and battles for everyhting in the middle of the park......

Cafu01 18-04-2005 17:30

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Roy Keane :D

Mik Griff 18-04-2005 18:55

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Originally Posted by Morecambe_Red
Morecambe - Pride Of Lancashire And Still Number1 Conference Club In Lancashire.

If you are the pride of lancashire as you keep saying, then prove it, how many points did you take off us this season? ;)

You lot are a shambles.

Mik Griff 18-04-2005 18:56

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Originally Posted by Cafu01
Roy Keane :D

lol :D you nutter.

Christies Child 18-04-2005 20:51

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Let's wait and see about who gets into play-offs. I hope we BOTH get there. A MFC v ASFC final would be great.

No doubt your media fan Ian McGarry will be on you guys to win....as usual....WHAT AN ARS*...................

Henry Morton 19-04-2005 01:43

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Typically , Michigan Red has posed some intelligent and analytical questions.

I can't give any sort of definitive answer to his queries because I lack the knowledge of what's going on in the squad.

Probably Smiffy is best placed to give a detailed response without disclosing trade secrets !

However , it's worth mentioning that some of our improved players have shone despite the regime rather than because of it. For example , Steve Flitcroft found himself with no regular place in an enlarged squad last year and was outsourced for several months to a lower league - his increased opportunities to play first team football resulted in a fitter, sharper player . My own opinion is that this would have happened whether Stanley were full or part time.

In contrast, Lee McEvilly must surely have benefited from the full-time arrangement. His weight has been reduced and his fitness level has increased to levels that could only have been achieved within a professional club.

There is another area to consider (although this is not part of Michigan Red's question) , and that is what economists call the "opportunity cost" , within the Football Club's various activities , of having a full-time professional team.

I believe that attendances this season have been disappointing because the spectator facilities have not improved sufficiently to match the Club's professional aspirations - and I would hazard a guess that those facilities would have improved if the Club had remained semi-pro for one more season and the cash thus released had been reinvested in ground improvements. I'm both proud of the Club and supportive of its ambitions , but it is arguable that the enlarged, professional, Stanley of 2004 -5 has been a mixed blessing.

Would Stanley still be in the Conference at the end of this season if the Club had not made the decision to go full-time ? Personally , I think "Yes" , but I confess that we would not have been anywhere near contention for the play-offs , and I agree that fortune favours the brave !

Outback Ozzy 19-04-2005 10:28

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Going back to the original post, We are in the same position as last year and cannot go any lower, but we can go higher up the league and as others say, as a full time club, we can attract better players, but who we may ask. We certainly don't want has beens from league clubs wanting to play out their last season with Stanley, although Mike Flynn, Ged Brannon et al have been good for us. What is required is a mixture of youth and experienced heads to win this league, good travellers, (granted we have won more away this season than last) and those that will battle for the shirt and pride of the club and town as a whole. What the club certainly need to do for next season is the following:
1. put a roof over Clayton and Coppice end of terracing
2. Increase offers to attract new supporters.
3. Sort out parking in the area, especially for big matches e.g. FA Cup against league opposition.
4. upgrade the Whinney Hill terrace to seating (I believe this is in the pipeline for when we are a league club again).
5. Get Ultras/supporters club/ team etc involved in local initiatives especially involving schools and sports clubs.

What would be nice next season is to see a core 2500 supporters at every home game. OK I acccept certain supporters cannot go every week (myself included) due to work commitments, but I believe most go as often as is allowed and I am certain the likes of Jimbo and Michigan Red would love to come back to see the mighty reds in action once more


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