Council Overspend - Page 4

andrewb · 19-06-2008, 10:36

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Originally Posted by cashman

that tunnel visioned view does you no credit at all, in fact it shows you to be a very weak person,IMHO, who knew what is NOT n important point, its the elected body that should inform people, not the MP. all you are trying to do is deflect the spotlight n i'm willing to bet people see right through you.

Considering I have already said that HBC are in the wrong by not defending them, I don't really see what there is to see through. It would do everyone a world of good if both parties could own up to the mistake.

Neil · 19-06-2008, 11:26

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Originally Posted by Gayle

By the way - does anyone know where Pendle St is and why it's had so much work done on it?

Here you go Gayle - Pendle Street, Accrington

It is off Willows Lane, go up Willows lane to the roundabout, straight over it and first left

cashman · 19-06-2008, 11:31

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Considering I have already said that HBC are in the wrong by not defending them, I don't really see what there is to see through. It would do everyone a world of good if both parties could own up to the mistake.

clutching at straws i see, BOTH parties were not holding the purse strings, ONE party was, thats were the mistake that counts is. so thats what there is to see through, you trying to deflect from the main point of the OVERSPEND. it would do you a world of good to remove yer blinkers.

Gayle · 19-06-2008, 11:35

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya cashy but it doesn't help when the govrnment pull the rug out does it

The Government did not pull the rug out. Yes, there was £700k that wasn't given this year - this was a one off payment that happened last year and last year alone - it should not have been assumed that they would get it again.

Yet, even without that £700k - the government actually gave more to HBC this year than last!!!!!

lancsdave · 19-06-2008, 11:38

Personally can't see the problem myself. The overspend will be made up in the council tax next year. As we all know from andrew, we get excellent value for money and therefore the more money we pay the more value we will get. We should count ourselves lucky.

garinda · 19-06-2008, 11:42

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Originally Posted by Gayle

The Government did not pull the rug out. Yes, there was £700k that wasn't given this year - this was a one off payment that happened last year and last year alone - it should not have been assumed that they would get it again.

Yet, even without that £700k - the government actually gave more to HBC this year than last!!!!!

Perhaps dimwitted lottery/pools winners think they too are going to win the jackpot every year, for the rest of their lives.

cashman · 19-06-2008, 13:04

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Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps dimwitted lottery/pools winners think they too are going to win the jackpot every year, for the rest of their lives.

think they do, but thats there personal choice, those dimwits were NOT elected to represent the people of this borough.

Neil · 19-06-2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps dimwitted lottery/pools winners think they too are going to win the jackpot every year, for the rest of their lives.

Gayle wins the lottery several times every year

Lilly · 19-06-2008, 15:00

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Financial year.
The 'excellent' was for the last financial year - May 07 - May 08
Any issues with budget at the moment are related to this financial year - May 08 - May 09 - which we're only two months in to.

I get it now.

Thanks, Gayle.

Eric · 19-06-2008, 17:17

I often browse these "council" related threads without comment 'cause it's none of my business and a lot of it I don't understand. But I am curious about this one. For starters, the five or so million dollar shortfall does not seem all that large to be concerned about; it's about half of what Kingston City Council budgets for snow removal. And our snow removal budget could, like last winter, go way over if there is more snow than normal; and none of us get flustered about it. And I am curious about what Hyndburn council actually does, what its responsibilities and powers are. How big is the council budget? Is council responsible for road maintaniance? Who pays for policing? Etc.

andrewb · 19-06-2008, 18:16

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Originally Posted by cashman

clutching at straws i see, BOTH parties were not holding the purse strings, ONE party was, thats were the mistake that counts is. so thats what there is to see through, you trying to deflect from the main point of the OVERSPEND. it would do you a world of good to remove yer blinkers.

I don't think I am trying to deflect from it at all. I don't see why you're trying to tar me in this thread when I have already said it is wrong. I am not seeking to defend the Conservatives, the council, or anybody at all. All I said is the electorate have a legitimate reason to complain, not councillors who failed to put forward an alternative budget. Don't see nout wrong with that.

Simply putting it how it is, we'd be in the same mess under the other lot because they didn't do anything different budget wise. Not that this makes it ok. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

cashman · 19-06-2008, 18:23

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I don't think I am trying to deflect from it at all. I don't see why you're trying to tar me in this thread when I have already said it is wrong. I am not seeking to defend the Conservatives, the council, or anybody at all. All I said is the electorate have a legitimate reason to complain, not councillors who failed to put forward an alternative budget. Don't see nout wrong with that.

Simply putting it how it is, we'd be in the same mess under the other lot because they didn't do anything different budget wise. Not that this makes it ok. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

if disagreeing with you is tarring you then i plead guilty. i am stating fact, who holds the purse strings is guilty no-one else simple as that.

andrewb · 19-06-2008, 18:29

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Originally Posted by cashman

if disagreeing with you is tarring you then i plead guilty. i am stating fact, who holds the purse strings is guilty no-one else simple as that.

Both parties had a chance to get elected the majority in May.

So the Conservatives create a budget in Feb.

The Labour party create no alternative budget.

The Conservatives get the elected majority.

Theres a £2.3million overspend

And you're telling me its all the Conservatives fault because they got the majority. I am telling you it would be no different under Labour - same budget. Where do we disagree?

Eric · 19-06-2008, 19:26

There seems to be a confusion of issues here (or maybe I'm naturally in a state of confusion). Is it a question of overspending, or of which political party is in power at the moment?

cashman · 19-06-2008, 21:03

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Originally Posted by Eric

There seems to be a confusion of issues here (or maybe I'm naturally in a state of confusion). Is it a question of overspending, or of which political party is in power at the moment?

not suprised yer confused mate Conservatives are in power, Labour are opposition in hyndburn, Cyfr is trying to make the case that those in power are only as much too blame as the opposition, no wonder yer confused.