Expenses, expenses... - Page 9

claytonender · 27-02-2009, 16:59

If the leader of Rossendale Council did the job for less than £12K in 2007-2008 - why does it take 118% more in members allowance for the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council to do their job. Is he 118% better at doing the work than the leader of Rossendale Council.

This is a link to the Rossendale Councillor's allowances for 2007-2008 for comparison - http://www.rossendale.gov.uk/downloa...es_2007-08.pdf

The total allowances claimed by all 35 Hyndburn's councillors in 2007 - 2008 was £140,904.19
(basic allowance) + £111,943.31 (special allowance) = £252,847.50 which is £ 87,550.05 more than that claimed by the 36 Rossendale councillors - who claimed £165,297.45

Less · 27-02-2009, 17:05

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Originally Posted by claytonender

If the leader of Rossendale Council did the job for less than £12K in 2007-2008 - why does it take 118% more in members allowance for the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council to do their job. Is he 118% better at doing the work than the leader of Rossendale Council.

This is a link to the Rossendale Councillor's allowances for 2007-2008 for comparison - http://www.rossendale.gov.uk/downloa...es_2007-08.pdf

The total allowances claimed by all 35 Hyndburn's councillors in 2007 - 2008 was £140,904.19
(basic allowance) + £111,943.31 (special allowance) = £252,847.50 which is £ 87,550.05 more than that claimed by the 36 Rossendale councillors - who claimed £165,297.45

Perhaps Rossendale have a better public transport system and their leader is allowed a bus pass?

claytonender · 27-02-2009, 17:08

Well Andrew are you going to ask Peter Britcliffe if he pays back any of his HBC mobile phone bill for personal calls - or was it only Graham you wanted to 'dish' the dirt on?

andrewb · 27-02-2009, 17:10

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Originally Posted by claytonender

If the leader of Rossendale Council did the job for less than £12K in 2007-2008 - why does it take 118% more in members allowance for the leader of Hyndburn Borough Council to do their job. Is he 118% better at doing the work than the leader of Rossendale Council.

This is a link to the Rossendale Councillor's allowances for 2007-2008 for comparison - http://www.rossendale.gov.uk/downloa...es_2007-08.pdf

The total allowances claimed by all 35 Hyndburn's councillors in 2007 - 2008 was £140,904.19
(basic allowance) + £111,943.31 (special allowance) = £252,847.50 which is £ 87,550.05 more than that claimed by the 36 Rossendale councillors - who claimed £165,297.45

Are you going to have the courage of your convictions and drop your own allowances then? I don't think Rossendale gives special allowances to group secretaries, at least it doesn't say so on the link provided. Your new allowance would be £2,610 rather than your current £5112, which is a 95% increase on Rossendale.

Less · 27-02-2009, 17:20

I've lost track,

I know there is an addage:-

'Attack is the better form of defence',

but now I can't remember who is attacking whom, can we have some sort of a brief synopsis like they do to bring us all up to date with what's been going on in all the other soaps?

claytonender · 27-02-2009, 17:24

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Are you going to have the courage of your convictions and drop your own allowances then? I don't think Rossendale gives special allowances to group secretaries, at least it doesn't say so on the link provided. Your new allowance would be £2,610 rather than your current £5112, which is a 95% increase on Rossendale.

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I am quite aware that Rossendale's allowances are much lower than Hynburn's. And it would be of little concern to me if my allowance was at Rossendales level. Incidentally the current secretary of the Conservative group on HBC is Tony Dobson.

andrewb · 27-02-2009, 17:24

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Originally Posted by claytonender

Well Andrew are you going to ask Peter Britcliffe if he pays back any of his HBC mobile phone bill for personal calls - or was it only Graham you wanted to 'dish' the dirt on?

Well considering Peter does not use AccringtonWeb I've no idea why you keep mentioning it here, as I will be asking him through another channel. I'm hoping you already know the answer and can just save me the trouble. When are you going to decrease your allowance?

andrewb · 27-02-2009, 17:25

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Originally Posted by claytonender

Posted via Mobile Device

I am quite aware that Rossendale's allowances are much lower than Hynburn's. And it would be of little concern to me if my allowance was at Rossendales level. Incidentally the current secretary of the Conservative group on HBC is Tony Dobson.

If its of little concern then please have the courage of your convictions and drop your allowance 95%. Then you might have a leg to stand on when criticising other peoples allowances.

Neil · 27-02-2009, 17:52

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Originally Posted by claytonender

It still doesn't alter the fact that in 2007-2008 Peter Britcliffe claimed £26119.98 (which if equated to a % of council tax is quite a high percentage - I am sure you know how much revenue has to be raised for each 1% of council tax.

Please put this into perspective by posting how much the Council Chief Executive is on, my guess is around £100,000.

MargaretR · 27-02-2009, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Neil

Please put this into perspective by posting how much the Council Chief Executive is on, my guess is around £100,000.

We will find out soon
Council bosses told to reveal pay and perks - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Less · 27-02-2009, 18:00

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

We will find out soon
Council bosses told to reveal pay and perks - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

How do you and how would they define a perk?

MargaretR · 27-02-2009, 18:03

That link suggests that perks are-
Town hall chief executives and top earners will also have to disclose financial perks they receive under the new rules, such as private cars, chauffeurs and accommodation. They will also be obliged to reveal the size of any pay-offs they receive upon leaving their posts.

garinda · 27-02-2009, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Less

How do you and how would they define a perk?

Rent boys and prossies?

garinda · 27-02-2009, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Less

How do you and how would they define a perk?

Perhaps a million points on a Tesco Clubcard?

claytonender · 27-02-2009, 18:39

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Well considering Peter does not use AccringtonWeb I've no idea why you keep mentioning it here, as I will be asking him through another channel. I'm hoping you already know the answer and can just save me the trouble. When are you going to decrease your allowance?

Regarding whether Peter Britcliffe reimburses HBC for the personal calls on his Council Mobile - I don't know whether he pays the money back or not, so it will be intersting for you to provide the answer.

As regards the Member's Allowances - I will accept the level of Rossendale member's allowance, when the rest of Councillors on Hyndburn Borough Council agree to do so.