Organ Donation

I'll be dead so won't need my body, someone else might as well have any bits that are of use to them.

You carry a donor card because you want to save lives with your bits but if the law is changed to do what you already want to then you will opt out. I've read it a few times and it still makes no sense to me. Looks like you just want to be anti-government and pretend there is some strange principal involved.
 
Neil said:
You carry a donor card because you want to save lives with your bits but if the law is changed to do what you already want to then you will opt out..
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A normal reaction to being forced in my mind, if you give to a charity that is your choice, but when someone comes along & says you must that puts a completely different aspect on the issue, the same goes for your body.

I have never personally carried a donor card, but I've given blood on numerous occasions, that hasn't been an issue, but for me there is an underlying uncomfortable feeling about some "official" entity deciding what is to be done with my worldly remains, If I haven't decided by the time I've shuffled off this mortal coil, then the decision should lie with my family/dependants, not the government.
 
DaveinGermany said:
A normal reaction to being forced in my mind, if you give to a charity that is your choice, but when someone comes along & says you must that puts a completely different aspect on the issue, the same goes for your body.
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think its all about what you say dave. until yesterday i for one didn,t know you could go on line to donate any parts of your body that is needed. more publicity needed about organ donation for people to decide for themselves instead of the big hammer approach by government who know all where we all know nowt. think a lot more people will follow margarets line and opt out just to show em two fingers.
 
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Neil said:
I'll be dead so won't need my body, someone else might as well have any bits that are of use to them.

You carry a donor card because you want to save lives with your bits but if the law is changed to do what you already want to then you will opt out. I've read it a few times and it still makes no sense to me. Looks like you just want to be anti-government and pretend there is some strange principal involved.
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Looks to me like you are nowt but a government arse kisser.:rolleyes:
 
Neil said:
I'll be dead so won't need my body, someone else might as well have any bits that are of use to them.

You carry a donor card because you want to save lives with your bits but if the law is changed to do what you already want to then you will opt out. I've read it a few times and it still makes no sense to me. Looks like you just want to be anti-government and pretend there is some strange principal involved.
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Neil, there is a principle involved and it is not strange at all...it is about the state(rather than government) owning your earthly remains.
It is about assuming consent rather than actually seeking consent.
And looking back perhaps using the term government was not quite the right term...perhaps the word 'state' would have been more appropriate...and NO I am not anti government, or for that matter anti state. I just do not agree with the state owning your remains....which is what they are actually saying if thiis legislation goes through.
It is not my way of sticking two fingers up to the establishment either....it is me deciding that the state does not have a say in what happens to my remains.

Now, if that doesn't worry you(but I think it should) you really will not get my point however much I try to explain my motives.
(what other things might the state decide that you have given consent to, because you haven't opted out of something. It all seems rather sinister to me)
If the state wants more people to donate organs then they should make them WANT to donate....they should educate folk in how their gift of body parts after death can give comfort in a time of sadness.
I get all that...I really do.
I have seen first hand how illness and life shortening disease can affect lives....But I resent the heavy handedness of this proposed legislation.
 
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Maybe they should go further and not let people opt out unless they also opt out of NHS care.

If you want the NHS to fix you then you have to agree to give the NHS the bits they need to fix others
 
Hang on there Neil...haven't we through contributions, paid into this organisation...we are not required to donate our organs to get care....and what about all those who get care and have paid absolutely nothing at all into the kitty.
How would this system work...would it be...you need a new hip, that'll cost you a kidney. You need a new knee. that will be both corneas???

If this comment was made as a 'tongue in cheek' thing, you need to perhaps tell us that.

Are you telling us that the NHS owns us rather than the state.

Maybe the day is coming when all new borns are chipped like puppies...just to keep track of where the organs that belong to the state are(!)
 
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The way it would work is simple, once you're dead if any of your bits can be used to save a life then they are used.
 
I think it's unethical to burn or leave to rot perfectly good organs that could save lives
 
Because you think it is unethical does not make it true Neil.

Donating organs after death should be a positive informed choice...and not an opt out sort of decision.
That sort of ploy is used by companies that give you two weeks free trial of something, but take your credit card details knowing full well that they will capture the unwary by inertia.

It won't be long before blood is taken at birth to determine your HLA so that they can determine which organs will be suitable for harvesting...I distrust the state.

If you are OK with implied consent, then you have no problems.(or at least, none that you can recognise)
 
Neil, I am sure that in the time I have been on this forum, it has been recognised that I am a cynical old baggage.
Being female as well, I am perverse, contrary. If someone tells me that I cannot do something I will do my utmost to prove them wrong...equally if someone tells me I HAVE to do something I will do my best not to do it...employing whatever means are necessary.

That is just the way I am. My sense of esteem does not rely on what anyone else thinks of me. I am past all that. If I please myself I know that at least one person(the most important one) is happy.
And frequently what I am saying is what others out there are thinking, it is just that you are not one of them!
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
Neil, I am sure that in the time I have been on this forum, it has been recognised that I am a cynical old baggage.
Being female as well, I am perverse, contrary. If someone tells me that I cannot do something I will do my utmost to prove them wrong...equally if someone tells me I HAVE to do something I will do my best not to do it...employing whatever means are necessary.

That is just the way I am. My sense of esteem does not rely on what anyone else thinks of me. I am past all that. If I please myself I know that at least one person(the most important one) is happy.
And frequently what I am saying is what others out there are thinking, it is just that you are not one of them!
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Margaret, once again you've said it as it is, looks like we think the same things. I'm a cynical owd git, and as contarary as its possible to be, when I was in the Fire Brigade my attitude earned me a title by the officers, S.U.I.B. Scruffy Untidy, Insubordinate, Bastard.
And I don't give a dam what people think of me either.
Lurch.
S.U.I.B.

 
Retlaw, like you, I am one of a kind.
Marmite is what I am, there are some who like me, there are others who do not.
I work by my own moral compass. I would never knowingly harm someone or something, I try to live by what were once considered to be Christian principles(is that a rude word now).
That said, I still have the power of critical thought. I do NOT always swallow what the establishment would have me believe as I realise that the establishment has its own agenda...and this may be far different to my own.
I respect the opinions of others, but they do not colour my own opinions.

It is a very emotive subject so there is bound to be a range of thought....sometimes you do the wrong thing for the right reason(l believe that organ donation is good, BUT only when done freely with obtained(rather than assumed) consent

There, I have said it all in the best way that I can.
I have no more to add to this discussion, so having started it, I am going to leave it there.
 
Morecambe Ex Pat said:
I will be making a positive choice not to opt out, that is my decision not that of the state.
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Quite right, well done, it is a positive response, if even only one person is given a second chance because of what you or I can do after death, then our lives haven't been in vain.
 
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