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garinda 15-03-2012 00:25

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Straightforward question.

Should we legalise illegal drugs?

mobertol 15-03-2012 00:27

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Easy question, easy answer -for some.

Boeing Guy 15-03-2012 06:37

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Let's hope this does not turn into a 1000 post plus arguement...

Less 15-03-2012 08:31

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 977849)
Let's hope this does not turn into a 1000 post plus arguement...

If it does, we have plenty to copy & paste without going anywhere near wikipedia.

Wrighty 15-03-2012 08:50

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You can not put cannabis in same bracket as the others .. that's just crazy!

Yes to cannabis

No to the others

MargaretR 15-03-2012 09:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977859)
You can not put cannabis in same bracket as the others .. that's just crazy!

Yes to cannabis

No to the others

I agree - the poll wording is too simplistic.

When taken literally, it would prevent morphine being used by sufferers of terminal cancer - I refrain from voting.

Nothing is ever so 'black or white' - the 'shades of grey' have been ignored.

garinda 15-03-2012 09:07

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 977860)
I agree - the poll wording is too simplistic.

When taken literally, it would prevent morphine being used by sufferers of terminal cancer - I refrain from voting.

Nothing is ever so 'black and white' - the 'shades of grey' have been ignored.

I used the wording used in the other thread.

Which asked the question 'legalise illegal drugs?'.

This poll asks the same question raised there.

cashman 15-03-2012 09:38

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 977860)
I agree - the poll wording is too simplistic.

When taken literally, it would prevent morphine being used by sufferers of terminal cancer - I refrain from voting.

Nothing is ever so 'black or white' - the 'shades of grey' have been ignored.

WHY? Is morphine legal now or summat?:confused:

MargaretR 15-03-2012 09:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 977868)
WHY? Is morphine legal now or summat?:confused:

Legal for some purposes and illegal for others.

Incidentally codeine is illegal in some countries.

jaysay 15-03-2012 09:53

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 977870)
Legal for some purposes and illegal for others.

Incidentally codeine is illegal in some countries.

Your argument doesn't hold water Margaret, if its on script its legal, if it isn't its illegal end of story

Margaret Pilkington 15-03-2012 10:14

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Morphine is prescribed for cancer sufferers so it is not illegal for them to use it.

***Mr D*** 15-03-2012 11:02

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Voted - NO

Needs another option.

Should we re look at the current classification of drugs.

jaysay 15-03-2012 11:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 977895)
Voted - NO

Needs another option.

Should we re look at the current classification of drugs.

No it doesn't as Rindi has said, you pal started the thread asking should drugs be legalised, the answer seems to be no end of story

garinda 15-03-2012 11:07

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 977895)
Voted - NO

Needs another option.

Should we re look at the current classification of drugs.

It was the exact same wording used in the other thread.

Should we 'legalise illegal drugs?'.

All that's required to that question is a simple yes, or no.

jimmy 15-03-2012 12:42

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I hope they do legalise Cannabis.
Perhaps it will stop all these "farms" that are uncovered when the police raid certain houses and find the occupier has turned it into a Tax Free little earner for themselves.

One of these was found in Wigan when the grower set fire to his house and his neighbours houses.

Anger at fire damage - Local News - Wigan Today

Eric 15-03-2012 12:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 977898)
It was the exact same wording used in the other thread.

Should we 'legalise illegal drugs?'.

All that's required to that question is a simple yes, or no.

I agree with you ... and if illegal drugs were ever legalized, questions of control can be dealt with later. Alcohol and cigarettes, for example, are "legal", but, as most of you have no doubt noticed, there are strict controls on their sale and use.

Eric 15-03-2012 12:47

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And, by the way, I voted "yes".

***Mr D*** 15-03-2012 13:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 977897)
No it doesn't as Rindi has said, you pal started the thread asking should drugs be legalised, the answer seems to be no end of story

I didn't start the thread asking should drugs be legalised.

But the answer doesn't seem to be just no end of story does it.

Oh and Just because Rindi has said does not mean that's its now.

Michael1954 15-03-2012 13:29

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Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 977925)
I didn't start the thread asking should drugs be legalised.

But the answer doesn't seem to be just no end of story does it.

Oh and Just because Rindi has said does not mean that's its now.

All this has been debated over and over again on the other thread.

Wrighty 15-03-2012 13:32

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 977928)
All this has been debated over and over again on the other thread.

You should be asking the thread starter why they felt the need to start another thread about it :confused:

Michael1954 15-03-2012 13:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977929)
You should be asking the thread starter why they felt the need to start another thread about it :confused:

Check your facts. The thread starter on the other thread was Kestrel. Gary has started this poll.

***Mr D*** 15-03-2012 13:36

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 977928)
All this has been debated over and over again on the other thread.

What has that got to do with me.

I ask since you quoted my post.

garinda 15-03-2012 13:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977929)
You should be asking the thread starter why they felt the need to start another thread about it :confused:

I created a poll, asking exactly the same question as the other thread.

So we could clearly see what support there is here, for recreational drugs to be made legal.

Michael1954 15-03-2012 13:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 977933)
What has that got to do with me.

I ask since you quoted my post.

This is a poll as Gary has already mentioned.

Wrighty 15-03-2012 13:43

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 977934)
I created a poll, asking exactly the same question as the other thread.

So we could clearly see what support there is here, for recreational drugs to be made legal.

I take it you class heroin & coke as recreational then ?

kestrelx 15-03-2012 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 977934)
I created a poll, asking exactly the same question as the other thread.

So we could clearly see what support there is here, for recreational drugs to be made legal.

500 years ago 99% of people thought the earth was flat - they too attacked people who realised the earth was a sphere!

Most peoples opinions have been formed by "mis-information" so this poll will never be fair!

Cannabis should be legalised!:alright:

garinda 15-03-2012 13:49

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977936)
I take it you class heroin & coke as recreational then ?

As stated, this is a poll.

I've already fully discussed my views in the thread, which asked should illegal drugs be legalised.

I won't be repeating what I've already said, or posting further in that thread.

Having to constantly repeat things, for the pro-recreational drug supporters, became very dull.

Michael1954 15-03-2012 13:55

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So far, the majority of people crying foul seem to be from the Yes voters. This is a poll. Which part of that sentence do they not understand?

Michael1954 15-03-2012 13:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 977938)
500 years ago 99% of people thought the earth was flat - they too attacked people who realised the earth was a sphere!

Most peoples opinions have been formed by "mis-information" so this poll will never be fair!

Cannabis should be legalised!:alright:

This poll is fair. You have comprehensively given your side of the argument on the other thread which we have all read. We can now make our own minds up in a democratic vote.

Wrighty 15-03-2012 14:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 977940)
So far, the majority of people crying foul seem to be from the Yes voters. This is a poll. Which part of that sentence do they not understand?

You can not put cannabis in the same bracket as heroin or coke!! :confused:

Cannabis has zero deaths

Alcohol is far more dangerous & the stats prove that

Ban the booze I say :rolleyes:

Less 15-03-2012 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 977938)
500 years ago 99% of people thought the earth was flat - they too attacked people who realised the earth was a sphere!

It has been known for thousands of years that the world is round, at the time you are talking about, it was dangerous to mention the Earth went around the Sun.
That could have you in trouble with the religious leaders.

Margaret Pilkington 15-03-2012 14:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977942)
You can not put cannabis in the same bracket as heroin or coke!! :confused:

The other thread was about legalising illegal drugs.......Cannabis is illegal as are heroin and cocaine.
Are you saying that people do not use heroin and cocaine to achieve some kind of 'high'....and as some part of their 'social scene'?
The other thread wasn't called Legalise Cannabis....it didn't specify which illegal drugs should be legalised.

You tell us that cannabis has caused no deaths........but you do not take into account the users who go on to other illegal drugs when cannabis fails to give the user the buzz that they are looking for. Neither do you take into account, those whose mental health has been affected by the use of this substance.

As Less has said, there are regulations which are in place for the sale of alcohol and tobacco.

And as for statistics, you can make them prove any damn thing you want.

Wrighty 15-03-2012 14:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 977951)
The other thread was about legalising illegal drugs.......Cannabis is illegal as are heroin and cocaine.
Are you saying that people do not use heroin and cocaine to achieve some kind of 'high'....and as some part of their 'social scene'?
The other thread wasn't called Legalise Cannabis....it didn't specify which illegal drugs should be legalised.

You tell us that cannabis has caused no deaths........but you do not take into account the users who go on to other illegal drugs when cannabis fails to give the user the buzz that they are looking for. Neither do you take into account, those whose mental health has been affected by the use of this substance.

As Less has said, there are regulations which are in place for the sale of alcohol and tobacco.

And as for statistics, you can make them prove any damn thing you want.

This thread is about legalising drugs , pointless having 2 threads the same.

I am talking about cannabis alone = 0 deaths

I will ask you .. please put up statistics regarding alcohol & lets see the difference as to which is more dangerous & how alcohol effects the body & mind over the long term .

The amount of harm & money that alcohol costs this country is huge but that is OK because its legal & it can be taxed

Michael1954 15-03-2012 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977954)
This thread is about legalising drugs , pointless having 2 threads the same.

I am talking about cannabis alone = 0 deaths

I will ask you .. please put up statistics regarding alcohol & lets see the difference as to which is more dangerous & how alcohol effects the body & mind over the long term .

The amount of harm & money that alcohol costs this country is huge but that is OK because its legal & it can be taxed

This is a poll about illegal drugs. The debate is on the other thread.

Margaret Pilkington 15-03-2012 15:00

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This is primarily a poll. It isn't supposed to be like the other thread.

The thread is not about legalising drugs at all....it is about canvassing votes in support of, or against, legalising drugs.... that is something very different.



I have never said that alcohol and tobacco are without their dangers .......I don't feel that I need to provide you with statistics, statistics can be manipulated to make them mean what you want them to mean(i.e. that is, in favour of whatever argument you are putting forward).

Wrighty 15-03-2012 15:04

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 977955)
This is a poll about illegal drugs. The debate is on the other thread.

I will post what I like as long as I stay within the rules of the forum :alright:

Wrighty 15-03-2012 15:09

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 977958)
This is primarily a poll. It isn't supposed to be like the other thread.

The thread is not about legalising drugs at all....it is about canvassing votes in support of, or against, legalising drugs.... that is something very different.



I have never said that alcohol and tobacco are without their dangers .......I don't feel that I need to provide you with statistics, statistics can be manipulated to make them mean what you want them to mean(i.e. that is, in favour of whatever argument you are putting forward).

Cannabis = 0 deaths . not much manipulation there eh?

Alcohol = untold misery . costing millions if not billions , 400k a year deaths ? there is no comparison really

Blah blah blah

Michael1954 15-03-2012 15:10

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977959)
I will post what I like as long as I stay within the rules of the forum :alright:

Do so. I was just trying to explain why there are two separate threads and that the poll was about illegal drugs, not alcohol. You seem to be a little bit simple, so I thought you would appreciate a simple explanation.

Neil 15-03-2012 15:27

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Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 977914)
I hope they do legalise Cannabis.
Perhaps it will stop all these "farms" that are uncovered when the police raid certain houses and find the occupier has turned it into a Tax Free little earner for themselves.

One of these was found in Wigan when the grower set fire to his house and his neighbours houses.

Anger at fire damage - Local News - Wigan Today

I think it was Less that covered that perfectly well in the other thread - we should not get rid of laws just because they are difficult to enforce, the police just need to get better at catching the illegal farms. They appear to be doing a good job at catching them to me.

Wrighty 15-03-2012 15:30

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Originally Posted by Michael1954 (Post 977962)
Do so. I was just trying to explain why there are two separate threads and that the poll was about illegal drugs, not alcohol. You seem to be a little bit simple, so I thought you would appreciate a simple explanation.

I was comparing cannabis with alcohol , seeing as cannabis is illegal & a thread -Should we 'legalise illegal drugs'? - Poll. I don't see what your point is .. As for calling me simple .. you are just as bad as the others for insulting if you don't like what you see .

Margaret Pilkington 15-03-2012 16:07

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977971)
I was comparing cannabis with alcohol , seeing as cannabis is illegal & a thread -Should we 'legalise illegal drugs'? - Poll. I don't see what your point is .. As for calling me simple .. you are just as bad as the others for insulting if you don't like what you see .


Despite simple explanations, this post shows that you just don't get it.
One is a discussion.
One is a poll - couldn't be simpler.

Gordon Booth 15-03-2012 16:11

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977961)
Cannabis = 0 deaths . not much manipulation there eh?

Alcohol = untold misery . costing millions if not billions , 400k a year deaths ? there is no comparison really

Blah blah blah

400k deaths a year?? There soon won't be any drinkers left- that's one problem solved!
Did you get that figure wrong?

'Million if not billions'? In 2009/10 alcohol tax raised 14.6 BILLION, tobacco tax raised 11.1 BILLION in 2010/11. The country makes an overall profit out of it's drinkers/smokers, unlike the illegal drug takers.

Anyone going in hospital with alcohol/tobacco problems should get a private room and a personal care team!

annesingleton 15-03-2012 17:04

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977961)
Cannabis = 0 deaths . not much manipulation there eh?

Alcohol = untold misery . costing millions if not billions , 400k a year deaths ? there is no comparison really

Blah blah blah

Not quite true if you choose to follow these links - there are hundreds more available all of which refute your argument......

http://alcoholism.about.com/b/2003/1...accidents.html
First person in Britain to die directly from cannabis poisoning?
Cannabis is blamed for teen's death | Macclesfield Express - menmedia.co.uk
Cases Journal | Full text | Cardiac arrest following cannabis use: a case report

annesingleton 15-03-2012 17:10

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 977970)
I think it was Less that covered that perfectly well in the other thread - we should not get rid of laws just because they are difficult to enforce, the police just need to get better at catching the illegal farms. They appear to be doing a good job at catching them to me.

True - one of the arguments in support of legalisation is that the law is difficult to enforce - there are lots of difficult to enforce laws, but I doubt the majority of the general public would be in favour of getting rid of them.

jaysay 15-03-2012 18:37

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 977938)
500 years ago 99% of people thought the earth was flat - they too attacked people who realised the earth was a sphere!

Most peoples opinions have been formed by "mis-information" so this poll will never be fair!

Cannabis should be legalised!:alright:

You mean the earths not flat:eek:

jaysay 15-03-2012 18:40

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Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977942)
You can not put cannabis in the same bracket as heroin or coke!! :confused:

Cannabis has zero deaths

Alcohol is far more dangerous & the stats prove that

Ban the booze I say :rolleyes:

Its a guarantee, that all heroine and cocaine users started on Cannabis

tommiasfc 15-03-2012 19:03

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 978003)
Its a guarantee, that all heroine and cocaine users started on Cannabis


No they probably started with alcohol and tobaco then smoked cannabis

jaysay 15-03-2012 19:10

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Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 978014)
No they probably started with alcohol and tobaco then smoked cannabis

Well they sure as hell didn't start on Heroine or cocaine, which old strengthens the argument not to legalise cannabis

tommiasfc 15-03-2012 19:26

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 978017)
Well they sure as hell didn't start on Heroine or cocaine, which old strengthens the argument not to legalise cannabis

Im not for legalising drugs it would be ridiculous but im for taking drugs were found and helping addicts not throwing them in jail as that does not help otherwise the war on drugs would have come to an end but its never going to look up portugal drug laws

kestrelx 15-03-2012 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 977944)
It has been known for thousands of years that the world is round, at the time you are talking about, it was dangerous to mention the Earth went around the Sun.
That could have you in trouble with the religious leaders.

Well the thinkers may have thought it was round, I know the Greeks 350 BC thought it was a sphere. But around 15th century, most common folks (peasants) thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus's sailors were afraid they would sail of the edge of the earth.

The point is that a lot of people who think Cannabis should remain illegal are like those who thought the earth is flat - their ideas are based on incorrect information! :rolleyes:

Boeing Guy 15-03-2012 19:45

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978030)
Well the thinkers may have thought it was round, I know the Greeks 350 BC thought it was a sphere. But around 15th century, most common folks (peasants) thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus's sailors were afraid they would sail of the edge of the earth.

The point is that a lot of people who think Cannabis should remain illegal are like those who thought the earth is flat - their ideas are based on incorrect information! :rolleyes:

Firstly the Earth is a Oblate Spheroid.:cool:

I disagree, I would like to think that as a professional Aviator who at any time has many lives in his hands, I take a reasoned and open minded approach to what I read and see.

I am against legalising any of the current batches illegal drugs. I have read scientific journals and papers and read this and other threads with interest.
If some one wants to abuse themselves that is up to them and I can see a arguement for regulating drugs, in order to give the Tax man a cut. However I could not see this being a solution, mainly because we cannot stop drug lords and organised crime from bringing supplies into the country and then selling them on the black market, after all they would not just roll over and give up their money supply.

We have no test available to easily see if some one is stoned on pot, unlike the breatherzer there is no simple roadside test, this is a problem in its own right.
I have not seen or read anything on this forum to make me reconsider my view.

kestrelx 15-03-2012 20:34

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To completely wipe out and stop cannabis use would cause serious misery to a lot of people who want to take this drug!

Because of the law - criminals have brought in a type of Cannabis called SKUNK! This is grown in doors in cannabis farms and because it is forced to grow fast there is an inbalance of the natural chemicals in the plant this imbalance makes the SKUNK 20 - 30 times stronger than naturally grown Cannabis! THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL! The chemical that is linked to mental illness is THC and the levels of this chemical in SKUNK is much higher than the chemical CBD which has the opposite effect!

IT SHOULD BE LEGALISED AND REGULATED AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD ISSUE LICENSES TO GROWERS IT SHOULD BE LABELLED BY STRENGTH AND SOLD IN SHOPS! THIS WOULD BE SAFER THAN TRYING TO DESTROY AND TOTALLY STOP CANNABIS USE! :alright:

Boeing Guy 15-03-2012 20:39

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You cannot eradicate drug abuse.
You should know that.
Te problem is Organised Crime make a lot of money off drugs, they would not stop. As I already said. Quite reasonably

kestrelx 15-03-2012 20:46

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 978063)
You cannot eradicate drug abuse.
You should know that.
Te problem is Organised Crime make a lot of money off drugs, they would not stop. As I already said. Quite reasonably

Yes this is the issue - you can't eradicate it which means that the quality of drugs that a lot get are often cut with impurities and it is the impurities that cause harm!

Tobacco and booze are drugs that can lead to other illegal drugs!

Organised Crime make money from all sorts of legal things - decriminlising cannabis and having it marked up with strength and quality control will be better for all concerned!

walkinman221 15-03-2012 20:47

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Originally Posted by tommiasfc (Post 978029)
Im not for legalising drugs it would be ridiculous but im for taking drugs were found and helping addicts not throwing them in jail as that does not help otherwise the war on drugs would have come to an end but its never going to look up portugal drug laws

How many times do we help drug addicts who commit crime? Once,twice, a hundred times what about the three strike system where the addicts get three chances to prove themselves as clean and sober and making a positive contribution to society.If after these three strikes they prove themselves to be incapable of staying off drugs then the authorities then lock them up and throw away the key or they could euthanize them, if they where really serious about ridding our country of this blight.

Less 15-03-2012 20:52

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Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978030)
Well the thinkers may have thought it was round, I know the Greeks 350 BC thought it was a sphere. But around 15th century, most common folks (peasants) thought it was flat. Christopher Columbus's sailors were afraid they would sail of the edge of the earth.

The majority of Christopher Columbus's men weren't sailors, they had been taken from the prisons to man the ship's.
Educated people of the time, knew the world wasn't flat.
Education wasn't given to the masses back then, but to compare a discussion about legalising
Drugs with the ignorance of the peasants seems a touch desperate and to show you clutching at straws somewhat, in an attempt to make your point, (whatever that point may be, it seems lost in your ramblings and links).

tommiasfc 15-03-2012 20:53

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Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 978069)
How many times do we help drug addicts who commit crime? Once,twice, a hundred times what about the three strike system where the addicts get three chances to prove themselves as clean and sober and making a positive contribution to society.If after these three strikes they prove themselves to be incapable of staying off drugs then the authorities then lock them up and throw away the key or they could euthanize them, if they where really serious about ridding our country of this blight.

Might be onto something there my argument is that if someone is an addict and is thrown in jail thats not doing anthing to help and when they come out they are gonna be surrounded by the people who take drugs and fall into a vicious circle

Less 15-03-2012 20:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978060)
To completely wipe out and stop cannabis use would cause serious misery to a lot of people who want to take this drug!

Because of the law - criminals have brought in a type of Cannabis called SKUNK! This is grown in doors in cannabis farms and because it is forced to grow fast there is an inbalance of the natural chemicals in the plant this imbalance makes the SKUNK 20 - 30 times stronger than naturally grown Cannabis! THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL! The chemical that is linked to mental illness is THC and the levels of this chemical in SKUNK is much higher than the chemical CBD which has the opposite effect!

IT SHOULD BE LEGALISED AND REGULATED AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD ISSUE LICENSES TO GROWERS IT SHOULD BE LABELLED BY STRENGTH AND SOLD IN SHOPS! THIS WOULD BE SAFER THAN TRYING TO DESTROY AND TOTALLY STOP CANNABIS USE! :alright:

Having problems with your caps lock?

Or just having problems?

Mick 16-03-2012 06:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrighty (Post 977942)
You can not put cannabis in the same bracket as heroin or coke!! :confused:

Cannabis has zero deaths
:rolleyes:

Er i think your wrong :p

First person in Britain to die directly from cannabis poisoning?

kestrelx 16-03-2012 09:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 978075)
Having problems with your caps lock?

Or just having problems?

Typical people like you, ignoring the message and taking cheap shots!

Making Cannabis illegal has opened the door for criminals to manufacture SKUNK - which is speed grown cannabis and it has been established this upsets the normal chemical balance in the plant - which makes it more dangerous! So it's making it illegal that is causing all the problems that people like you are so happy to keep going on about!

If cannabis wasn't illegal then SKUNK would not have been invented! OR ARE YOU A BIT DUM TO UNDERSTAND? :dummy2:

jaysay 16-03-2012 09:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978060)
To completely wipe out and stop cannabis use would cause serious misery to a lot of people who want to take this drug!

Because of the law - criminals have brought in a type of Cannabis called SKUNK! This is grown in doors in cannabis farms and because it is forced to grow fast there is an inbalance of the natural chemicals in the plant this imbalance makes the SKUNK 20 - 30 times stronger than naturally grown Cannabis! THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL! The chemical that is linked to mental illness is THC and the levels of this chemical in SKUNK is much higher than the chemical CBD which has the opposite effect!

IT SHOULD BE LEGALISED AND REGULATED AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD ISSUE LICENSES TO GROWERS IT SHOULD BE LABELLED BY STRENGTH AND SOLD IN SHOPS! THIS WOULD BE SAFER THAN TRYING TO DESTROY AND TOTALLY STOP CANNABIS USE! :alright:

Well there is one thing for sure you certainly know all about the ins and outs of the illegal cannabis trade and the supply of :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Less 16-03-2012 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978143)
Typical people like you, ignoring the message and taking cheap shots!


If cannabis wasn't illegal then SKUNK would not have been invented! OR ARE YOU A BIT DUM TO UNDERSTAND? :dummy2:

Not a cheap shot, just an observation due to experience.
Back before the internet there used to be a group of people that would send letters to the newspapers, Councillors etc.
To emphasise their main points they would write them in capitals, when ignored or challenged for their ramblings, the next stage would be either to attempt a put down, (as above though you failed miserably), or else start sending their correspondance using coloured pens as if this would make them seem more knowledgable.
This facility is available on AccyWeb, any time you want to imitate your wax crayons please feel free, the actual content of your posts will remain just as invalid.

***Mr D*** 16-03-2012 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 978003)
Its a guarantee, that all heroine and cocaine users started on Cannabis

Just this statement shows you knowledge is 0 on this subject.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 978017)
Well they sure as hell didn't start on Heroine or cocaine, which old strengthens the argument not to legalise cannabis

Why didn't they?

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978143)
Typical people like you, ignoring the message and taking cheap shots!

Making Cannabis illegal has opened the door for criminals to manufacture SKUNK - which is speed grown cannabis and it has been established this upsets the normal chemical balance in the plant - which makes it more dangerous! So it's making it illegal that is causing all the problems that people like you are so happy to keep going on about!

If cannabis wasn't illegal then SKUNK would not have been invented! OR ARE YOU A BIT DUM TO UNDERSTAND? :dummy2:

I disagree with you here, I would sooner have the plant form, Skunk, than the resin designed for the UK (soap Bar) which is full of poisons.

Speed grown? Skunk is grown under Sodium Lights, will take 8-16 weeks from start to finish dependant on the strain and processed user to grow.

Yes you can get many different strains / strengths of cannabis just like Alcohol.

I wouldn't class myself as dumb, but I don't understand.

"If cannabis wasn't illegal then SKUNK would not have been invented!"

kestrelx 16-03-2012 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 978188)
Just this statement shows you knowledge is 0 on this subject.



Why didn't they?



I disagree with you here, I would sooner have the plant form, Skunk, than the resin designed for the UK (soap Bar) which is full of poisons.

Speed grown? Skunk is grown under Sodium Lights, will take 8-16 weeks from start to finish dependant on the strain and processed user to grow.

Yes you can get many different strains / strengths of cannabis just like Alcohol.

I wouldn't class myself as dumb, but I don't understand.

"If cannabis wasn't illegal then SKUNK would not have been invented!"


I've done my drugs so I'm not really bothered about this debate!

Skunk is not naturally grown and was started by drugs dealers to save themselves having to run the gauntlet of importing the stuff!

It has high levels of THC and THC is what is more likely to make users psychotic. In natural plants it is balanced out by CBD which has a more calming sedating effect!
DrugScope | DRUG INFORMATION | Skunk

Quote from above link:

'Traditional' herbal cannabis ranges from between two and four per cent THC content. The more potent varieties average between 10 and 14 per cent with the trend being towards even higher levels of THC.
The original skunk was a cross between Indica and Sativa cannabis stock, with the fast-growing Indica as the main ingredient. It was generally believed among regular users and growers that Sativa produced a 'high' (sharperned and heightened perception) while Indica produced a 'stoned' effect (just about the opposite). The original hybrids, including skunk itself, are believed to have originated in the USA. The name Skunk itself points to a USA connection (being so-called because of the pungent odour it emits while growing). They have since been refined and cross-bred into a range of different varieties by Dutch growers.
Skunk and the other varieties are now being grown in significant quantities in the Netherlands and Britain. British growers now boast that they are ahead of the Dutch in techniques and quality. They also claim that seed being produced here makes the British market self-sufficient.

walkinman221 16-03-2012 19:48

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Do cheap shots include unsigned karma ? Some folk have no bottle.

Less 16-03-2012 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 978278)
Do cheap shots include unsigned karma ? Some folk have no bottle.

Some drugs are illegal, unsigned karma is legal, live with it!

Boeing Guy 16-03-2012 19:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 978278)
Do cheap shots include unsigned karma ? Some folk have no bottle.

You too, well it seems some are just cowards:cool:

walkinman221 16-03-2012 20:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 978279)
Some drugs are illegal, unsigned karma is legal, live with it!

It might be legal but its mard not signing.You don't mind it, but it gets on my wick, sorry:rolleyes:

Less 16-03-2012 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 978286)
It might be legal but its mard not signing.You don't mind it, but it gets on my wick, sorry:rolleyes:

Read the many karma threads, don't be moaning in the middle of other threads.

walkinman221 16-03-2012 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 978298)
Read the many karma threads, don't be moaning in the middle of other threads.

Yes boss, very sorry boss.:rolleyes:

Less 16-03-2012 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by walkinman221 (Post 978302)
Yes boss, very sorry boss.:rolleyes:

Not a boss, just someone that doesn't sign karma, funny how there's never a complaint about unsigned green.

walkinman221 16-03-2012 20:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 978308)
Not a boss, just someone that doesn't sign karma, funny how there's never a complaint about unsigned green.

Anyway i may now have to start a thread to complain about unsigned green karma as well as red just to restore the equilibrium:alright:

garinda 16-03-2012 20:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 978308)
Not a boss, just someone that doesn't sign karma, funny how there's never a complaint about unsigned green.

I had some unsigned karma recently, and a pathetic little comment.

That was green.

The big, stupid dope forgot to hit the negative button.

:D

Margaret Pilkington 16-03-2012 21:00

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G....that is what you call real Karma!

kestrelx 16-03-2012 23:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Mr D*** (Post 978188)
Just this statement shows you knowledge is 0 on this subject.



Why didn't they?



I disagree with you here, I would sooner have the plant form, Skunk, than the resin designed for the UK (soap Bar) which is full of poisons.

Speed grown? Skunk is grown under Sodium Lights, will take 8-16 weeks from start to finish dependant on the strain and processed user to grow.

Yes you can get many different strains / strengths of cannabis just like Alcohol.

I wouldn't class myself as dumb, but I don't understand.

"If cannabis wasn't illegal then SKUNK would not have been invented!"

Cannabis back in the 70's and 80's used to be about 2 - 4 % THC - with SKUNK it is 10 - 12 % and much stronger that strenght can be too much for a lot of people!

If it was legalised the strength would be known - on the packet and people who don't want to get their "brains blown" would be able to buy weaker goods! As it stands it's pot luck! :)

Less 17-03-2012 03:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978379)

If it was legalised the strength would be known - on the packet and people who don't want to get their "brains blown" would be able to buy weaker goods! As it stands it's pot luck! :)

Surely if the stuff is stronger, then when rolling your spliff you put less in so that it doesn't blow your brain?

Pardon my ignorance though, but isn't the idea behind using this stuff to, 'blow your brain'?
Otherwise just smoke fags and stand outside the pubs along with the rest of the less adventurous amongst us.

susie123 17-03-2012 10:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978379)
If it was legalised the strength would be known - on the packet and people who don't want to get their "brains blown" would be able to buy weaker goods! As it stands it's pot luck! :)

Pot luck? Ha ha - Is that where the phrase originated??

kestrelx 17-03-2012 14:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 978393)
Surely if the stuff is stronger, then when rolling your spliff you put less in so that it doesn't blow your brain?

Pardon my ignorance though, but isn't the idea behind using this stuff to, 'blow your brain'?
Otherwise just smoke fags and stand outside the pubs along with the rest of the less adventurous amongst us.

Mmm It depends on the individual I suppose but I don't think people want to be incapcitated by it.

I used to smoke it and then listen to music (various kinds) through headphones - it enhances the music 10 fold and makes everything sound more intense, well defined. Also have worked on it!

annesingleton 17-03-2012 21:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978464)
Mmm It depends on the individual I suppose but I don't think people want to be incapcitated by it.

I used to smoke it and then listen to music (various kinds) through headphones - it enhances the music 10 fold and makes everything sound more intense, well defined. Also have worked on it!

Is it not time to stop talking about this, you've made your point and got nowhere, you won't change peoples attitudes, is your aim to get the entire Accyweb population smoking dope? If so it doesn't look like you're going to succeed!!
Just enjoy the weed if you want to and don't think you can change peoples opinions!

kestrelx 19-03-2012 14:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by annesingleton (Post 978596)
Is it not time to stop talking about this, you've made your point and got nowhere, you won't change peoples attitudes, is your aim to get the entire Accyweb population smoking dope? If so it doesn't look like you're going to succeed!!
Just enjoy the weed if you want to and don't think you can change peoples opinions!

I was answering a question by Less, I am not trying to persuade anyone that they have to start smoking dope. I am not preaching and nor do I smoke it myself anymore! :rolleyes:

katex 19-03-2012 21:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978464)

I used to smoke it and then listen to music (various kinds) through headphones - it enhances the music 10 fold and makes everything sound more intense, well defined. Also have worked on it!


This was another affect that the anorexic sufferer experienced.

Said that it did enhance colours, music, etc., but made issues focus on reality. In other words, anorexia is a mental disease which distorts the truth, but whilst puffing on a 'spiff' it brought the non reality into reality, and helped to see what was happening to them. Does that make sense ?

I appreciate your information on cannabis, and it would discourage the manufacture of 'skunk', which sounds dangerous, and I am not convinced in its best form, that it is particularly dangerous or addictive.

My one reason I would vote against legalising it is that, until there is some sort of system in place to catch cannabis drivers I could not endorse it. You surely do have concentration required for the road ? There does appear to be paranoid issue too, although not of a violent nature, just argumentative.

Mancie 19-03-2012 22:09

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Voted no but the poll is restricted..legalise cannabis? maybe but not really a big issue to me...make cocaine or heroin legal.. no.

Eric 20-03-2012 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kestrelx (Post 978858)
I was answering a question by Less, I am not trying to persuade anyone that they have to start smoking dope. I am not preaching and nor do I smoke it myself anymore! :rolleyes:

If you have any left over that you are not using ... :cool:;)

Gordon Booth 20-03-2012 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 979012)
If you have any left over that you are not using ... :cool:;)

I'll bet Eric's response to the poll is 'Frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn'.

susie123 20-03-2012 14:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 979020)
I'll bet Eric's response to the poll is 'Frankly my dear I couldn't give a damn'.

Wrong there, Gordon... see posts 16 and 17. Could have been me writing them.

Gordon Booth 20-03-2012 14:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 979025)
Wrong there, Gordon... see posts 16 and 17. Could have been me writing them.

You're right, susie, I've forgotten his earlier posts.
It's just that Eric seems so relaxed about life, he seems to just 'do his own thing' and not worry too much about what the rest of the world thinks- I love it!
I'd also love to have a Cadillac and a Harley Davidson like he does!

susie123 20-03-2012 16:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 979026)
You're right, susie, I've forgotten his earlier posts.
It's just that Eric seems so relaxed about life, he seems to just 'do his own thing' and not worry too much about what the rest of the world thinks- I love it!
I'd also love to have a Cadillac and a Harley Davidson like he does!

Could be an effect of living in Canada...?

Gordon Booth 20-03-2012 16:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by susie123 (Post 979044)
Could be an effect of living in Canada...?

I'd love to have tried that too!

Although perhaps it's because he leads the bachelor life now! No ball and chain?

susie123 20-03-2012 20:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 979046)
I'd love to have tried that too!

Although perhaps it's because he leads the bachelor life now! No ball and chain?

Yes, I find Canada quite an appealing prospect.

Couldn't possibly comment on the second possibility... especially where Eric's concerned!

Eric 20-03-2012 21:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth (Post 979046)
I'd love to have tried that too!

Although perhaps it's because he leads the bachelor life now! No ball and chain?

This is true ... and Canada has something to do with it. I think it was Dave in Germany who observed that Canadians (many of them anyway) are so laid back, they are almost comatose. The only thing we get frantic about is Hockey ... in the same way that Brits do about football. Only difference is that we tend to win more than we lose ... a lot more.;):D

jaysay 21-03-2012 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 979081)
This is true ... and Canada has something to do with it. I think it was Dave in Germany who observed that Canadians (many of them anyway) are so laid back, they are almost comatose. The only thing we get frantic about is Hockey ... in the same way that Brits do about football. Only difference is that we tend to win more than we lose ... a lot more.;):D

And if ya don't ya beat the other side up with them sticks, often known as a lethal weapon:D

garinda 23-03-2012 23:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 978319)
I had some unsigned karma recently, and a pathetic little comment.

That was green.

The big, stupid dope forgot to hit the negative button.

:D

Oh dearie me.

Now I'm getting that pretty lilac coloured karma.

Which either means the person is new, or has negative power.

Bless 'em.

Still, it is a lovely shade.

Perhaps the weak should adopt it, as a change from yellow.

:D

jaysay 24-03-2012 10:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 979678)
Oh dearie me.

Now I'm getting that pretty lilac coloured karma.

Which either means the person is new, or has negative power.

Bless 'em.

Still, it is a lovely shade.

Perhaps the weak should adopt it, as a change from yellow.

:D

Just a bit puzzling I got some blue karma not long ago anybody know what that is:confused::confused:

DaveinGermany 24-03-2012 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 979711)
Just a bit puzzling I got some blue karma not long ago anybody know what that is:confused::confused:

Tory Karma ! :eek: Goes with your specs Jay. ;) :D

jaysay 24-03-2012 10:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 979713)
Tory Karma ! :eek: Goes with your specs Jay. ;) :D

No Dave the specs are just ordinary tinted these days;)

susie123 24-03-2012 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 979711)
Just a bit puzzling I got some blue karma not long ago anybody know what that is:confused::confused:

I did read about this some time ago but can't remember where...

As far as I remember it's what you get when a member gives you karma but hasn't any themselves or hasn't contributed a certain number of posts ie a fairly new member.

Less 24-03-2012 14:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 979711)
Just a bit puzzling I got some blue karma not long ago anybody know what that is:confused::confused:

Somebody appreciates the naked poleroid of yourself that you posted in the over 18's section.

jaysay 24-03-2012 15:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 979755)
Somebody appreciates the naked poleroid of yourself that you posted in the over 18's section.

Now I know your telling porkie pies Less, nobody would appreciate anything like that:eek:

DaveinGermany 24-03-2012 16:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 979755)
the naked poleroid of yourself

Now that, would definitely need illegal herbage to make you want to view it ! :eek: :D

kestrelx 26-03-2012 13:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 979012)
If you have any left over that you are not using ... :cool:;)

I don't smoke fags for 3 years now - I don't take illegal drugs and I drink alcohol a few times a month!

I never said legalise illegal drugs anyway! I was just asking a question that's all?

I don't think Heroine or Coke should be legalised. :hehetable Cannabis yes!


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