Ed Miliband

[Margaret Pilkington]

I was only 28 when we last voted.......and I think at that time I could have been considered politically naive, but I always thought there was something other than trade behind the EEC(call it a gut instinct...or women's intuition). I never wanted to be part of this 'club'. It gives me no pleasure at all to be proved right

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I was only 28 when we last voted.......and I think at that time I could have been considered politically naive, but I always thought there was something other than trade behind the EEC(call it a gut instinct...or women's intuition). I never wanted to be part of this 'club'. It gives me no pleasure at all to be proved right

And just to think that good old Charles wanted to keep us out, pity he didn't succeed

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by g jones

The out vote would win amongst traditional and socialist Labour voters (good reasons), right wing little englanders (daft reasons) and Mail and Express (daft reasons) readers

I'm a bit puzzled by this, Graham, as I always thought left wing socialists were generally speaking pro-EU, with exceptions like Arthur Scargill. Certainly when we had a previous poll on the subject, Accyweb left wing socialists like Bernard and Clayton Ender voted in favour of the EU and I seem to remember you cutting and pasting a whole series of arguments in favour of the EU from a socialist blog called Left Foot Forward.

What about left wing MPs in the Labour party? Are they anti-EU? That's certainly not the impression I've got!

[gynn]

Originally Posted by gynn

After a year as Labour leader, what are everyone's views on Ed Miliband's performance as Labour leader?

No doubt Mancie sees him as the potential saviour of the country, rescuing us all from a fate worse than another term of Tory rule. And jaysay will say he is just as bad as his predecessor, plotting to plunge us all into another decade of doom and gloom.

As a neutral, I have to say that he worries me. He reminds me of that boy with the lisp in the corner of the playground who struggled to make friends. He found it hard to live in the shadow of his handsome brother, who always had loads of girl friends, and he turned out to be the one who told teacher he saw us smoking behind the bike sheds. The class sneak.

Am I being unfair?

Four months on from posting the above, it seems nothing has changed. Miliband the Younger is completely and totally out of his depth, and PM Questions gives us embarrassing weekly reminders that he isn't up to it.

Senior Labour figures are starting to agree,

BBC News - Ed Miliband lacking strategy and energy - Lord Glasman

Any bets on a new Labour leader in 2012?

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by gynn

Four months on from posting the above, it seems nothing has changed. Miliband the Younger is completely and totally out of his depth, and PM Questions gives us embarrassing weekly reminders that he isn't up to it.

Senior Labour figures are starting to agree,

BBC News - Ed Miliband lacking strategy and energy - Lord Glasman

Any bets on a new Labour leader in 2012?

But who would be the new leader?..from the early 70's onwards the trend seems to be that people vote for the more media friendly leaders of all parties..half the electorate don't even vote and most who do don't vote because of policiy but more like how the party leader is seen by the media.
Heard it time and time again the Michael Foot was a good leader but he was a disaster in the Election.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Mancie

But who would be the new leader?..

It would be very counter-productive to even think about changing the leader of the Labour Party at the moment. A choice was made and has to be lived with, even though it was a real own-goal crowning the less talented and less charismatic of the Milliband brothers.

Looking through the current Shadow cabinet which is supposed to reflect future Labour talent i can see little hope of greatness to come. That nice chap Hillary Benn is actually my favourite, educated and eloquent but I don't think he has the charisma to lead a new offensive.

[cmonstanley]

labour dont want to peak to early, its a plan

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

labour dont want to peak to early, its a plan

Yeh should be on the "Comedians"

[garinda]

Originally Posted by gynn

Four months on from posting the above, it seems nothing has changed. Miliband the Younger is completely and totally out of his depth, and PM Questions gives us embarrassing weekly reminders that he isn't up to it.

Senior Labour figures are starting to agree,

BBC News - Ed Miliband lacking strategy and energy - Lord Glasman

Any bets on a new Labour leader in 2012?

Oh it's starting to sink in.



Would it be churlish, if we said 'told you so'?

Bet?

Nah.

None in the party are worth a punt.

They're all cut from the same, grey cloth.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

labour dont want to peak to early, its a plan

Yeah, it helps that longterm dreams can move more into the fantasy realm.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

labour dont want to peak to early, its a plan

Yep..a cunning plan.. I wonder if Baldrick is up for it.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by gynn

Four months on from posting the above, it seems nothing has changed. Miliband the Younger is completely and totally out of his depth, and PM Questions gives us embarrassing weekly reminders that he isn't up to it.

Senior Labour figures are starting to agree,

BBC News - Ed Miliband lacking strategy and energy - Lord Glasman

Any bets on a new Labour leader in 2012?

Well, when the Labour leadership contest was going on I don't think any of the members of the Labour Party who are members on here supported Ed Miliband, think the support was for big brother Dave, but the Unions wanted a left wing puppet and that's what they got

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Yeh should be on the "Comedians"

Thought he was

[Taggy]

Perhaps Diane Abbott should be given a chance...........at least we know what she's all about!!

Best Regards - Taggy

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Taggy

Perhaps Diane Abbott should be given a chance...........at least we know what she's all about!!

Best Regards - Taggy

She's certainly shown her true colours.