Lazy women

[annesingleton]

I completely agree with you, just shows the power of the media I suppose, and what power they really have!

[Margaret Pilkington]

If (for any reason) you do not feel good about yourself, even the softest voice has a force....that is the whole nub of the problem......women are listening to the wrong voices....because there is no-one telling them that they are valid for any other reason than their looks.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If (for any reason) you do not feel good about yourself, even the softest voice has a force....that is the whole nub of the problem......women are listening to the wrong voices....because there is no-one telling them that they are valid for any other reason than their looks.

True, but it's more complicated than that.

Who'd have thought someone like Katie Price would have been a role model, nearly half a century after the womens' liberation movement changed so many attitudes about self-image?

It is very sad, that wanting to look like Barbie, in this post-feminist world, is seen as normal.

Rather than being encouraged to be happy, and self-confident, in your own imperfect, unique, beautiful, skin.

It's not just girls.

Young boys are getting as screwed up as girls, when it comes to self-image.

It's sad, but l don't know what the answer is.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If (for any reason) you do not feel good about yourself, even the softest voice has a force....that is the whole nub of the problem......women are listening to the wrong voices....because there is no-one telling them that they are valid for any other reason than their looks.

It's not all down to the media bombardment, we're all subjected to.

It begins at home, with parenting.

All children should grow up being thought of as already beautiful.

Inside, and out.

[annesingleton]

Originally Posted by garinda

True, but it's more complicated than that.

Who'd have thought someone like Katie Price would have been a role model, nearly half a century after the womens' liberation movement changed so many attitudes about self-image?

It is very sad, that wanting to look like Barbie, in this post-feminist world, is seen as normal.

Rather than being encouraged to be happy, and self-confident, in your own imperfect, unique, beautiful, skin.

It's not just girls.

Young boys are getting as screwed up as girls, when it comes to self-image.

It's sad, but l don't know what the answer is.

I completely agree with all your comments, it seems that what the Women's Liberation Movement was all about has become skewed and now seems to target the worst in both men and women, in that women want to aspire to the worst in men's behaviour and both sexes seem to strive for unattainable perfection of a kind that can only be achieved via surgery and airbrushing. I don't know what the answer is unless there's a way to stop the media from doing what they do by providing completely unrealistic people and lifestyles as role models for our young people.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

True, but it's more complicated than that.

Who'd have thought someone like Katie Price would have been a role model, nearly half a century after the womens' liberation movement changed so many attitudes about self-image?

It is very sad, that wanting to look like Barbie, in this post-feminist world, is seen as normal.

Rather than being encouraged to be happy, and self-confident, in your own imperfect, unique, beautiful, skin.

It's not just girls.

Young boys are getting as screwed up as girls, when it comes to self-image.

It's sad, but l don't know what the answer is.

Just like to point out, there's nothing wrong with Katie Price, she's a successful bussiness woman, nor is there anything wrong with celebrating traditional female sexuality, and being coyly girlish.

Female liberation gave women choices.

It's just sad that many of those choices are limited by rules imposed by a minority, about what's deemed as acceptable, when it comes to outward appearance.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by annesingleton

I completely agree with all your comments, it seems that what the Women's Liberation Movement was all about has become skewed and now seems to target the worst in both men and women, in that women want to aspire to the worst in men's behaviour and both sexes seem to strive for unattainable perfection of a kind that can only be achieved via surgery and airbrushing. I don't know what the answer is unless there's a way to stop the media from doing what they do by providing completely unrealistic people and lifestyles as role models for our young people.

The media only give people what they want.

Supply and demand.

I'm no prude, but I don't think the ease of access young people have to pornography helps, when i comes to what's seen as acceptable, regarding what society supposedly finds attractive.

I don't know what the answer is either.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

It's just sad that many of those choices are limited by rules imposed by a minority, about what's deemed as acceptable, when it comes to outward appearance.

...and even sadder than the issued diktats that decide those rules, are that people still buy into them.

For that, men really aren't to blame.

Male ideas about what they find beautifil about women, are usually set in stone.

They don't normally change their minds, on the whims of fashion.

It's women who generally buy into that.

[Retlaw]

[quote=garinda;993999]The media only give people what they want.

Supply and demand.
quote]
The Media are in a rat race to become the latest fashion trend setters, they are the ones who manipulate the female species into thinking this is what they should look like, when less than 1% of the female population ever come any where near to that look, yet the daft beggars will make themselves ill trying to ape them.
Retlaw.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by annesingleton

Yes I agree, I'm 57 and still think that deep down although it doesn't bother me like it would a a teenager. I remember when I was a teenager girls all aspired to have a body like Twiggy, which was the exception rather than the norm.
Why does the world of fashion always try to make women aspire to what in reality is an extreme unreality of what real women are like?

Well I can give you a few years Anne and believe me I still have the same outlook on life as when I was 18, the only problem is the body won't let me and I keep asking who that bloke is who looks at me every morning when I look in the mirror

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well I can give you a few years Anne and believe me I still have the same outlook on life as when I was 18, the only problem is the body won't let me and I keep asking who that bloke is who looks at me every morning when I look in the mirror

Milan says breasts and curves are out.

Lithesome, boyishness is in.

Please update what you're supposed to find attractive in a woman.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Milan says breasts and curves are out.

Lithesome, boyishness is in.

Please update what you're supposed to find attractive in a woman.

Sod Milan, have never been into stick insects, I'm 38-24-36 guy myself

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I'm 38-24-36 guy myself

Strange shape for a bloke that.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Sod Milan, have never been into stick insects, I'm 38-24-36 guy myself

I do hope that's inches, and you haven't gone metric.

Otherwise I'll have to warn Jeanette Krankie to lock her tiny door.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Strange shape for a bloke that.

No Dave I would be something like 48 56 48 mate