The value of public funded art - Page 14

Acrylic-bob · 29-10-2010, 16:01

Who did you think I was talking about, the former dress shop owner? does-my-budget-look-big-n-this-britcliffe?

Gayle · 29-10-2010, 16:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

I've just noticed on Cassandra Webster's website, that she charges £3.00 per person, to teach a 30 minute dance class.

She'd need to teach 333 people, at her going rate, to earn a thosand quid.

I bet she had a little dance herself, when she realised she was the chosen one, and the recipient of a thousand pounds for teaching Accy's flash mob a few dainty steps.

Fees - ReAct Academy of Theatre Arts

Sorry, your maths are a bit off - she's taught over 200 people the four different dances divided into six groups having six x hour-long sessions each group i.e. 36 hours plus the time it took to devise the dance. That should have cost at least £7,200.

Flash mobs that have happened spontaneously might well cost nothing but this one has been commissioned and I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. There is a company in Manchester that specialises in this sort of thing and you wouldn't get change out of £10k.

Plus, again Cassandra is a local person, shopping in local shops and working with local people.

garinda · 29-10-2010, 16:09

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Who did you think I was talking about, the former dress shop owner? does-my-budget-look-big-n-this-britcliffe?

Dress shop?

Stop.

I'll get even more confused.

I always refer to it as a frock shop.

The Frocky Horror Picture Hat Shop.

Perhaps Gayle would hire us as a double act?

A Lancastrian Gilbert & George.

Though we wouldn't come cheap, which would be bad news for the poor tax payer.

Acrylic-bob · 29-10-2010, 16:09

"I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. "

Doesn't that rather take away the point of the thing?

Acrylic-bob · 29-10-2010, 16:11

Underneath the Arches. Oh how the memories come flooding back.

Benipete · 29-10-2010, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Sorry, your maths are a bit off - she's taught over 200 people the four different dances divided into six groups having six x hour-long sessions each group i.e. 36 hours plus the time it took to devise the dance. That should have cost at least £7,200.

Flash mobs that have happened spontaneously might well cost nothing but this one has been commissioned and I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. There is a company in Manchester that specialises in this sort of thing and you wouldn't get change out of £10k.

Plus, again Cassandra is a local person, shopping in local shops and working with local people.

That's all very well but couldn't we all just have triple Tesco Club Card Points.

garinda · 29-10-2010, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Sorry, your maths are a bit off - she's taught over 200 people the four different dances divided into six groups having six x hour-long sessions each group i.e. 36 hours plus the time it took to devise the dance. That should have cost at least £7,200.

Flash mobs that have happened spontaneously might well cost nothing but this one has been commissioned and I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. There is a company in Manchester that specialises in this sort of thing and you wouldn't get change out of £10k.

Plus, again Cassandra is a local person, shopping in local shops and working with local people.

My maths aren't 'a bit off'.

Check again.

I was referring to the normal fees she charges, as quoted on her website.

To earn a thousand quid, at her normal rate, without the generous intervention of a local government subsidy form Hyndburn B.C., she'd have to teach 333 people, at £3.00 per half hour class, to earn the equivalent amount of £1,000.00.

garinda · 29-10-2010, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

"I think you'll be hard pushed to find very many these days that are completely random. "

Doesn't that rather take away the point of the thing?

...and perhaps not exactly cutting edge, certainly as an 'art' form?

Once somethings been used to flog mobile phones on the telly, I think we can already label it a bit naff, in the context of an artistic movement.

Gordon Booth · 29-10-2010, 16:21

Gayle, I really admire the way you keep responding to all these negative posts, it must be a little depressing to get so little support. However don't you think perhaps these projects are ASKING for these responses or do you perhaps feel they do not represent the general opinions of the people of Hyndburn?
By the way, can you tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the London 'Cultural Olympics' will be?

Acrylic-bob · 29-10-2010, 16:29

"However don't you think perhaps these projects are ASKING for these responses"

This is what we have been trying to tell her since before the whole Panopticon fiasco, Gordon.

garinda · 29-10-2010, 16:29

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Originally Posted by garinda

...and perhaps not exactly cutting edge, certainly as an 'art' form?

Once somethings been used to flog mobile phones on the telly, I think we can already label it a bit naff, in the context of an artistic movement.

...and just because some company in Manchester is hioping to charge some daft sap ten thousand quid to organise a flash mob, doesn't equate to the value of what this is costing us.

I believe you can pick up a working girl for ten quid in Clayton Street in Blackburn, yet footballers are having to pay £10,000.00 in Manchester, for pretty much the same thing, just dressed up a little differently.

Acrylic-bob · 29-10-2010, 16:32

"doesn't equate to the value of what this is costing us."

Nor indeed the value of the 'performance' to the economy of the town centre.

garinda · 29-10-2010, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Gayle, I really admire the way you keep responding to all these negative posts, it must be a little depressing to get so little support. However don't you think perhaps these projects are ASKING for these responses or do you perhaps feel they do not represent the general opinions of the people of Hyndburn?
By the way, can you tell us what Hyndburns contribution to the London 'Cultural Olympics' will be?

I'm yet to hear any positive feedback, regarding these state funded community art projects.

Most people I've come into contact with are very angry their taxes are being spent on it.

Especially with the terrible state of our economy, and the savage cuts we're facing.

garinda · 29-10-2010, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Gayle, I really admire the way you keep responding to all these negative posts

Not to post on here, but in her capacity, of which I'm still a little unsure as to what it is, as creative director of the Civic arts centre, she is employed by H.B.C., and receives, if I correctly recall from her post on here, a salary of £20,000.00.

Perhaps not a fortune on a national scale, but more income than many families here in Hyndburn, who are struggling to put food on the table...and pay their council tax bills, which fund these projects.

Barrie Yates · 29-10-2010, 16:48

I was taught to dance by my Mother, by paying for lessons - out of my own pocket, and by a fantastic GF who still loves to dance. The taxpayer or the council did not contribute one penny.
Gayle, you must realise by now that the great majority do not agree with publicly funded "art" of any form. Don't dig the hole any deeper.