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cashman · 20-07-2009, 16:31

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Originally Posted by entwisi

now that you simply can't say and I hope you acknowledge it Rindy. No one can say where and when would have introduced something if it hadn't been done by someone earlier.

To claim otherwise is simply lies and conjecture

not really history since the 40s have shown what callous uncaring pigs the torys are, to even suggest they may have introduced it is numb to put it mildly, though not n unexpected comment.

shillelagh · 20-07-2009, 17:03

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Originally Posted by spex357

I have been lucky to have suffered no illness in my life so far and hope i make it to the end before charges come in but there are charges around today, its not everything that you get fully without charge even if your on the dole. Will we be able to reduce our N.I contributions?, probably not. Could we have it set on a limit for the year per person and roll it over indefinately if you didnt use it, i read somewhere we pay over £3400 a year for each working person into the National Health fund and by now i could afford some of the more expensive treatments.

I hope not .. because what would happen if you went over the limit .. i had 3 ambulances here last sunday .. how much would that cost .. then my prescriptions i get every month, visits to the neurologist and my doctors, visits to casualty .. so far this year ive had 3 trips in ambulances, 4 visits to casualty, about 10 visits to the docs, 1 visit to the neurologist, 2 emergency visits to the dentist, ... what would all that come to ...

Neil · 20-07-2009, 17:23

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

I hope not .. because what would happen if you went over the limit .. i had 3 ambulances here last sunday .. how much would that cost .. then my prescriptions i get every month, visits to the neurologist and my doctors, visits to casualty .. so far this year ive had 3 trips in ambulances, 4 visits to casualty, about 10 visits to the docs, 1 visit to the neurologist, 2 emergency visits to the dentist, ... what would all that come to ...

If you were a horse Jen we would just shoot you and save the money

shillelagh · 20-07-2009, 17:26

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Originally Posted by Neil

If you were a horse Jen we would just shoot you and save the money

you wouldnt ... you all love me too much!!!!

jaysay · 20-07-2009, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Neil

If you were a horse Jen we would just shoot you and save the money

Hey Neil don't you be giving Spugs ideas

shillelagh · 20-07-2009, 17:39

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Hey Neil don't you be giving Spugs ideas

OI you .. that is giving him ideas .. but nah he wouldnt shoot me ..

derekgas · 20-07-2009, 17:47

I agree with Jaysay and Bernadette, at the expense of sounding racist again, if the free health care was for people within the tax system, and not available to all, it would make a huge difference, if you go on holiday to another country, you take health insurance, or suffer the consequences. I also do not think the tories would ever have introduced free health care, and agree that Labour have (since the tories were last in power) continued to ruin the NHS, again because they neglected to change things that the tories had put in place, as with many things. Labour have been utter rubbish, but I still wouldnt have the tories back, I remember what happened last time they were here.

BERNADETTE · 20-07-2009, 18:00

There is nothing racist about it Derek it is true that people come to this country on so called holidays because they know that health care is free. I don't know if you saw the TV programme about it a while back but it was shown to be a very big problem. The patients signed forms to say they would pay the money back and then most of them just dissappeared. Now I don't know how it works in other countries but people have to pay for their treatment if they have no travel insurance. How is it that it works everywhere but here?

garinda · 20-07-2009, 18:01

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Originally Posted by entwisi

I haven't. what I have argued against is your statement that no future Tory goverment would have introduced it. you simply can't say either way.

You are not party to the discussion or internal politics that would or could have taken place. Once somthing is formed who can ever say that if it hadn't at that point then it would never have existed at all.

I prefer to deal in facts.

It is a fact that prior to 1948 Conservative governments had no policies that would have ended paying for medical treatments, and facilitating the creation of a nationalised health service

Fact.

The Conservative government have never supported nationalisation as a concept.

Fact.

Indeed they've carried out policies to denationalise all they could.

Fact.

As to what I am party too, I've never posted about what I spoke to Thatcher about when I dined with her, or might also have been privy to at subsequent dinners, with other influential Tories at the Carlton Club.

Fact.

jaysay · 20-07-2009, 18:03

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Originally Posted by derekgas

I agree with Jaysay and Bernadette, at the expense of sounding racist again, if the free health care was for people within the tax system, and not available to all, it would make a huge difference, if you go on holiday to another country, you take health insurance, or suffer the consequences. I also do not think the tories would ever have introduced free health care, and agree that Labour have (since the tories were last in power) continued to ruin the NHS, again because they neglected to change things that the tories had put in place, as with many things. Labour have been utter rubbish, but I still wouldn't have the tories back, I remember what happened last time they were here.

Unfortunately derek every Labour Government has made pigs ear of running the country, this one more than any, they promised the earth then as was predicted they screwed up big time, like they always do, but this time its a complete nightmare, we will be saddled with debt for generations, and we have a Prime Minister and cabinet in total denial

derekgas · 20-07-2009, 18:59

You might like to add that most of them seem to be Scottish, many who seem to think that William Wallace is alive and well, locked in the Tower of London, and still hating the English!

Neil · 20-07-2009, 19:15

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Originally Posted by garinda

As to what I am party too, I've never posted about what I spoke to Thatcher about when I dined with her, or might also have been privy to at subsequent dinners, with other influential Tories at the Carlton Club.

OMG you didn't, did you?
Somehow I don't think Thatchers pillow talk would be that interesting. Then again if she got her Trident out you may have had fun

Mancie · 20-07-2009, 23:15

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Unfortunately derek every Labour Government has made pigs ear of running the country, this one more than any, they promised the earth then as was predicted they screwed up big time, like they always do, but this time its a complete nightmare, we will be saddled with debt for generations, and we have a Prime Minister and cabinet in total denial

you do live in a dream Jaysay...this is what I would call making a "pigs ear" out of running this country...3.5 million unemployed... patients dying on beds in hospital corridors..people only allowed to work 3 days a week...power cuts..Thatcher telling peolpe to use 7 inches of water to have a bath and use candles...riots on the streets..I could fill the page
ah the good old days!

accyman · 21-07-2009, 00:15

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Originally Posted by Mancie

you do live in a dream Jaysay...this is what I would call making a "pigs ear" out of running this country...3.5 million unemployed... patients dying on beds in hospital corridors..people only allowed to work 3 days a week...power cuts..Thatcher telling peolpe to use 7 inches of water to have a bath and use candles...riots on the streets..I could fill the page
ah the good old days!

to be fair teh riots on the streets were mainly over poll tax in london.

it may have been a violent reaction but the good chaps rioting on our behalf had teh decency to take the riots right onto the bitches doorstep

garinda · 21-07-2009, 00:24

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Originally Posted by accyman

to be fair teh riots on the streets were mainly over poll tax in london.

That wasn't a riot, they didn't even stop me getting the bus home from work that day.

Toxteth, Brixton, St.Pauls in Bristol, they were your proper riots.

The country went blue.

As blue as the smoke from the burning buildings.