This sums up our justice system to the full

jaysay · 21-12-2009, 15:40

Thug Walid Salem boasts he is untouchable as the householder he tormented is jailed | Mail Online

Don't need to add much to this, seems to show just what a first class justice system we really have

Boeing Guy · 21-12-2009, 15:50

12 years of 'Tough on crime'.....yeah

cashman · 21-12-2009, 16:19

Reminds me of the "Tony Martin" case, how long ago would that be?

approx 10 yrs i think n still nowt learned.

Wynonie Harris · 21-12-2009, 16:31

Be interesting to see if the legal system receives the general toughening up that most ordinary people are crying out for, if/when the boy David takes up the reins of power next year.

Not holding my breath, personally.

BERNADETTE · 21-12-2009, 16:47

Am I missing something here? The bloke was attacked streets away from the house with iron bars and a cricket bat that broke. How is that protecting your property?

cashman · 21-12-2009, 18:17

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Am I missing something here? The bloke was attacked streets away from the house with iron bars and a cricket bat that broke. How is that protecting your property?

what yer missing imho bernie is these were knife weilding thugs, ya aint gonna go after them wi yer bare hands, they were armed.

lancsdave · 21-12-2009, 20:12

"Salem suffered a fractured skull, a broken jaw and brain damage"

Are they trying to say he was a normal person before that.

Mancie · 21-12-2009, 21:16

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"Salem suffered a fractured skull, a broken jaw and brain damage"

Spot on Dave..people paid good money on Friday nights down Blackburn to get in that state..

jaysay · 22-12-2009, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Be interesting to see if the legal system receives the general toughening up that most ordinary people are crying out for, if/when the boy David takes up the reins of power next year.

Not holding my breath, personally.

Chris Grayling was on Breakfast TV yesterday morning saying that if elected the Tories will look at the rights of home owner to protect their own property. From my point of view if some scumbag is in my home in Th middle of the night intending to rob me,I ain't going to think twice before whacking hm with the nearest thing that comes to hand, because the tow rag shouldn't have been there in the first place

Wynonie Harris · 22-12-2009, 08:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Chris Grayling was on Breakfast TV yesterday morning saying that if elected the Tories will look at the rights of home owner to protect their own property.

Heard it all before...Tory conferences talking about "short, sharp shocks", Wille Whitelaw talking about prison life being conducted at "a brisk pace" etc etc.

Looking at the rights of the home owner is all very well, but the whole British justice system needs reforming root and branch. A toughening up of the judiciary with judges who are willing to punish criminals, rather than feeling sorry for them. An expansion of prison building with prisoners kept in much more spartan conditions than now. A wholesale ratcheting up of sentences - real life terms for murder, 30-40 year sentences for serious assaults etc. Can't see all that happening under a lightweight Blair-a-like!

jaysay · 22-12-2009, 09:08

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Heard it all before...Tory conferences talking about "short, sharp shocks", Wille Whitelaw talking about prison life being conducted at "a brisk pace" etc etc.

Looking at the rights of the home owner is all very well, but the whole British justice system needs reforming root and branch. A toughening up of the judiciary with judges who are willing to punish criminals, rather than feeling sorry for them. An expansion of prison building with prisoners kept in much more spartan conditions than now. A wholesale ratcheting up of sentences - real life terms for murder, 30-40 year sentences for serious assaults etc. Can't see all that happening under a lightweight Blair-a-like!

The problem is we have to put up with the Guardian reading human rights brigade Wynonie, which is a pain in itself. I have often said that the current law books should be piled high on the green out side parliament and put to the torch, and replaced by new laws tailored for the 21st century not the middle ages. We may not like a lot the Yanks do but in a lot of cases they get their sentencing right, if a criminal gets life in the states,it means life. I often laugh at sentences give here, when they say somebody is given a life sentence and must serve a minimum of 18 years, so why call it life, when it quite obviously isn't. I also think that the word concurrently be deleted from the law books, if you commit 4 crimes and get six months on each count, to me you get 2 years end of

LYNX1 · 22-12-2009, 09:58

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

"Salem suffered a fractured skull, a broken jaw and brain damage"

Are they trying to say he was a normal person before that.

Might be a better person after the brain damage IMHO...........

Wynonie Harris · 22-12-2009, 13:56

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Originally Posted by jaysay

The problem is we have to put up with the Guardian reading human rights brigade Wynonie, which is a pain in itself. I have often said that the current law books should be piled high on the green out side parliament and put to the torch, and replaced by new laws tailored for the 21st century not the middle ages. We may not like a lot the Yanks do but in a lot of cases they get their sentencing right, if a criminal gets life in the states,it means life. I often laugh at sentences give here, when they say somebody is given a life sentence and must serve a minimum of 18 years, so why call it life, when it quite obviously isn't. I also think that the word concurrently be deleted from the law books, if you commit 4 crimes and get six months on each count, to me you get 2 years end of

The "criminals are poor, misunderstood victims of society" brigade are only a problem because governments make them a problem. If the next government (of whichever political stripe) adopted a draconian crackdown on lawbreakers, I guarantee they would receive huge public support and the bleeding heart liberals would be swept aside!

jaysay · 22-12-2009, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

The "criminals are poor, misunderstood victims of society" brigade are only a problem because governments make them a problem. If the next government (of whichever political stripe) adopted a draconian crackdown on lawbreakers, I guarantee they would receive huge public support and the bleeding heart liberals would be swept aside!

We'd have to scrap the European Human Rights act first Wynonie, or the games a boggy, Brown would never do it, nor would Clegg (mind you he'll never get the chance) Cameron has said he'll scrap it and introduce our own rights bill

Boeing Guy · 22-12-2009, 15:39

Human rights were a good idea, but it should have always been favoured towards the victim's not the criminals