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Originally Posted by Mog
Young Sam.
Why do you keep quoting the Trespass Law. ?
You have said in the past that you know the owner and he is a very nice man.
Also you have been in the building with his consent therfore you are not trespassing in the sense of the word.
You say, I am going in this weekend with some professional urban explorers/photographers and also a lady who used to work there. Who have you arranged the visit with.
Who is in charge of the visit and who is in charge of the health and safety of the visit. ?
What facilities have you got and what arrangements have you made in case of an emergency. ?
Have all the Emergency services been made aware of your plans. ?
Do I take it that these people are being escorted by yourself as they are your guests. ?
Have you written consent that allows you to escort and supervise these people through a derelict building from the owner.?
Have you done a risk assesment on the route and the parts of the building you are going into and parts of the building that could have an effect of your presence there.?
Have you all the correct safety equipment for you and your guest including High Visability clothing and hard hats. ?
Have you a specific route planned and are all your guests fully aware of the designated walking route that they must travel.?
Have you made sure that they have signed and that they understand all the dangers and all the implications of not following the designated walking route. ?
IF ALL OF THIS IS a little bit over your head. ?
take a few minutes to digest what I have told you in other post of this thread.
You WILL be putting youself and other people into a dangerous situation.
As an Holder of IOSH and NEBOSH. ( I suppose these Abbreviations are way above your head as well.)
I may have a look around the area at the weekend.
KEEP away you stupid young man.
If anything happens to any of your guest.
You could be held responsible and all of your postings regarding you entering this building could be and may be used against you.
Let it go and stop being so daft before its too late.
If you do not have permission to be in/on the property then you are Trespassing.
It is nothing to do with damage or stealing.
An individual who has been found trespassing can be legally ejected from the property, providing that the amount of force used to do so is deemed by the courts to be reasonable.
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This isnt a school trip!
I have not had permission from the owner to take them in but they want to visit and they are allowed to as long as they do not cause damage, steal and they leave asap if asked to do so.
They have been in many derelict buildings in their time including places with high security like whittingham hospital, they are doing what they enjoy - photography - and they know the risks of entering derelict places but they are experienced and they are not exactly going to stand in the middle of the ballroom raving and bouncing up and down on the staircase.
We will be taking an emergency first aid kit in the unlikely event that one of us gets injured even though it probably wont because we are just going around taking photos. Everyone will be taking torches and protective gloves will be supplied incase of glass or germs. I have got a lot of face masks and I will take those and offer them.
We will be walking around single file and being extremely cautious.
I will make them aware of the most 'unsafe' parts of the building (which are the rooms directly under the 2 'square domes at either side on top of the building, (as that is where the lead was removed and where the leaking occurs - the rest of the building is mostly dry and sturdy and safe.)
If we are asked to leave by the owner, police or other figure of authority, then we will do so by the quickest, and safest practical route.
It is extremely unlikely that we will have and charges pressexd against us in civil court as the owner would have to prove that we have broken an entry, vandalised or stolen things. The owner would have more sense than to do this anyway as it is a
derelict building and he probably would not have the time to take us to court and he would know himself that it would be very unlikely that the court would do anything with us and then HE would have to pay the court fees.
We are photographers and could prove that. We will not be carrying anything that could be considered as something to vandalise or break an entry.
We are photographers - NOT arsonists!
IT IS A DERELICT BUILDING! - NOT 10 DOWNING STREET!
But thanks for your concerns and I appreciate them.
Take care and I will upload the photos soon after the visit.