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Originally Posted by GEaston
I'm aware that to an extent this forum is a branch of the Lenin supporters club, I'm just curious who here is prepared to debate, and who wont.
Less - Pro and anti Maggie factions? So far as I can see it was just me and one other guy who were pro, so that's not much of a faction. You are correct that it's not yet a debate, but only because debate is a new concept here. I get that people use the forum more as a collective place to mourn the loss of mother Russia, anything else not being welcome.
Guiness - it's not a conservative critique, it's a factual one. I'm all ears as to how it's misguided, factually wrong or misleading. Failing that tell me you think it's right that the govt should pay $1.2m a day for the privilege of keeping people down mines. To do any of that though you'd have to read my post.....therein lies the problem.
Cashman - Good luck 
Cmonstanley - yes we do import a lot of coal, as we are net importers of energy but overseas coal was cheap and always has been. As is the case with so many industries we could not compete on labour costs, and coal imported and shipped from South America was 15 pounds a ton cheaper bought and landed to a dock than mined.
Eric - coal pollution technology has improved a lot, but it remains the most polluting of all fuels. Coal emits almost a third more carbon dioxide per unit of energy than oil, and 70% more than natural gas BBC News - Coal resurgence calls undermine clean energy commitments The real problem with this is that China is solely powered by Coal and a new (non-clean tech) coal power station comes on line each week. Any efforts the west makes to stay clean (Carbon Tax etc) are well intended but pointless. |
Thatcher Came to power promising to bring harmony where there was discord. In the mining communities up and down the country,she bought the opposit. She believed we were no longer any use to the nation because we insisted on running safe coal mines in this country. One of the great disgraces of this country today is we import over 50 million tonnes of coal a year from countries where men are killed, literally in the thousands, and we closed our industry that was the safest, the most technlogically advanced in the world. Thatchers lack of empathy, her intrangsigence, her failure to see the other side, her refusal to even look at the other side, has left people bitter and resentful, and hitting out in a way that is uncharacteristic of the miners in our community. Her accusation that the "enemy within" was in the mining areas of this country, still rankles people. I wasnt the "Enemy Within" All we ever wanted was the right to work. We didnt just want it for ourselves; we wanted it for our kids and that was taken away. Coal was cheap and always was cheap from overseas. Cheap in terms of What price do you put on a human being. We had the safest coal mines anywhere in the world. What else do you expect in this country of mine. Did you want an industry where the pit boss decides at the start of the shift how many men shall we kill today, and by the way WHO will be killed. I think by now most of you guys know that I spent 31 years in the coal mines. Started as a boy and ended my career as a mine manager. I have met many people like you GEaston in my time. I would have loved having you down Bankhall Colliery in 1962. You with your stuck up better than thou attitude is why we had to change the Mines. You Mister would have been sent Up Duke Bar.