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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer
In my eyes there is nothing at all honourable about war. Imo war is something that we (as human beings) should be ashamed of.Sadly, since the days of Blair, the unthinking masses have become conditioned and brainwashed to glorify war or so it seems.
Call my way of thinking what you will M, I'm of the firm belief that we are all part of 'one race' and killing others because they occupy another part of the planet is simply a display of savagery.
I'm also trying to understand why dropping a bomb on a family who are 'no threat' to us and blowing them to pieces is any different a terrorists who blows up innocent folk.
The former kills whilst dressed in a smart uniform after being brainwashed to see people as the enemy and not as human beings, the latter kills wearing normal clothes after being brainwashed to believe that those they are about to kill are the enemy and are different in some way.
The former takes his orders from his military commander. The latter takes his orders from his religious extremist commander. Both tend to obey unconditionally.
The end result is the same. We glorify and justify one and condemn the other.
People keep bleating on about Hitler to justify wars. Perhaps if they understood that the UK was arming the Nazis and the situation wasn't as black and white as the victors who wrote history make out, they may start to question things a bit more.
This link is worth reading to understand how Western companies profited by selling weapons to the Nazis during WWII:
https://libcom.org/library/allied-mu...ny-world-war-2
War is solely about profit. And then there were Finland's Jew people who fought on the side of the Nazis. And plenty of other facts folk won't have learned from any of their biased history books.
The Jews who fought for Hitler: 'We did not help the Germans. We had a common enemy' - Telegraph |
Where was it that
anyone has said that war is 'honourable'?
I certainly have neither said or implied any such thing.
You cannot be ashamed of something over which you had no control.
If you asked those conscripted men if they would
want to go and fight....or if they would prefer to stay home with their families and loved ones then I think I know what their answer would be.......they did not think war was honourable, but they thought that their
country was honourable.
They honoured their country by laying down their lives for it........and therein lies a subtle difference.....I think it is probably too subtle for you to grasp.
So you think I have been brainwashed and conditioned to glorify war?
What part of my post do you not understand? All of it, it seems to me.
As for being part of one race....why don't you see if those who are fighting for IS believe that. They are slaughtering their own kind, they commit genocide......and what would you do about it then........you would not wage war on them in spite of their barbarism in the treatment of the people they see as their enemies???....so no Geneva Convention rules for them then.
Whether or not the UK was arming the Nazis has no part in this discussion......it is irrelevant, because it is in the past and cannot be changed.
War is not only about profit(although it does play a large part) it is about men wanting power over other men...it is about removing the freedom of ordinary people to satisfy the ego of men.
It is men who start wars...men who are egocentric and desire power...kudos...want to go down in the history books...but for all the wrong reasons.
The sands of history are shifting...moved by the people who want to wipe out elements which were present, but were unpalatable....how is anything at all in a theatre of war palatable anyway.
Jason, it doesn't matter how you cut it...this is another thread which was started with the aim of being contentious......if people agree with you then that is fine and dandy, but when they don't agree then you have to accept that too.
I think the consensus here, is that we wear our poppy to signify the respect for the men and women in all conflicts who fell in the aim to keep us free....
to remember them and the great sacrifice they made on our behalf.