Originally Posted by Guinness
So, you're saying that anyone who thinks that we should have a shoot to kill policy on terrorists is a neo-nazi fascist? And then you have the gall to use a rolleyes emoticon that signifies you believe these people to be idiots?
Your post is simplistic, it is also ill thought and puerile.
It is about religion, it is about interpretation of that religion. Let me beano-ise this for you.
The bible…
First part is that originally we had a vengeful God, gotta be obeyed or not allowed to play in the garden, Sodom, Gomorrah, floods, eye for an eye, no false idols, plagues, sends his personal SAS to kill the first born etc..etc..
This part gets totally reversed by a carpenter who says ‘nah…my Dads ok, he’s a loving God, lets you make your own choices but he wants you to love each other, and not rip out anyones eye for clouting you, turn your cheek and let him hit you again. And over the next 2000 years, after majorly screwing up on numerous occasions, western society finally creates morals, an education system and eventually laws protecting the weak and tolerance for others based on this guys musings.
Meanwhile.. the Jews don’t believe this carpenter, arrange to have him bumped off, and pretty much stick to the first part because they think they are special because a bush told them so.
The koran (quran) also has two parts…
First part is written in Mecca (prophet M is illiterate so he uses a scribe). He’s living in relative wealth supported by his tribe, preaches love, tolerance, peace and also throws in some things about food hygiene in hot countries from the Old Testament and gets some converts from both Jewish and Christian faiths. He upsets too many people and gets thrown out of Mecca.
He moves to Medina, he’s now skint and hungry so he arranges for his gang to rob a few caravans, now these caravans are mainly Jewish, he tells his guys they are doing gods work, the locals in Medina, which at the time consisted of Arab tribes that thrived by raiding, join him and he starts to dictate to his scribe stuff about violence and aggression being ok as long as its against non believers. The prophet then says that whatever he says last supercedes anything he said earlier.
So the interpretation is pretty much down to the individual Imam…and our own history shows us that when we have poorly educated people and a belief system that venerates the clergy, its very, very easy to arrange a crusade, a pogrom, a cull of indigenous natives or a jihad and get people prepared to die for a cause based on an interpretation.
Finally your poorly written point about what would you do if outraged...well I wouldn't shoot unarmed civilians at a pop concert, I wouldn't rape or sell children into slavery, I wouldn't senselessly smash historical monuments, behead or crucify my enemy, strap a bomb to my chest and walk into a cafe, shoot a couple of cartoonists...if you think that is 'standing up and fighting'...you need help!
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