[Margaret Pilkington]

How we differ is in how you say we have 'given away'....no sorry. You didn't say that...you said we threw away our communities.
I am old enough to remember when relatives lived in one street...or at least very close by.....they were deifinite communities, they looked after each others children, they helped out when families were in need of help...if you kicked one they all limped.
So how can you say we threw that away?
We did no such thing. Life evolved, prices went up...it meant that people had to move to where the jobs were.......it meant that women who had previously stayed at home nurturing the family had to go out and get a job.
People wanted things they had not had before....homes with furniture that all matched...wall to wall carpet, a car and a foreign holiday. In short expectations rose.

People stopped going to Jumble sales( they wanted better than that and felt they deserved it) they stopped going to Bring and Buy sales for the same reason.
Churches fell out of favour because people found that for this new life style they had to work unsocial hours......also if you worked all week then Saturday and Sunday were the only days that you could do the stuff that is required to maintain a household.....vacuuming the carpets took precedence over going to Sunday morning church.

In Asian communities, the mosque holds sway over the thoughts, ideals and the basic tenets of daily life.....many married Asian women devote their time to looking after their family because that is their tradition.

They do not integrate with women outside of their own culture, they probably do not understand that they can choose to vote for someone other than who their imam or their husband tells them to....it is unthinkable to them to do that....so for them there is NO democracy...they are childlike in their subservience and compliance.

And if Less is in a community that is mainly Muslim and he is not included because of his race, or his religious preference, or colour then that is racism and exclusion...and were the tables turned and we were promoting such a system, then we would be heckled and castigated for it.

Community leaders can only lead if they can be respected by ALL members of their community...if the represent ALL aspects of the community life......ALL aspects of community need...and clearly these leaders do not,
They only represent the Muslim point of view.