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suebeth · 14-06-2017, 10:24

If anyone can help with my missing links please, that would be great.
I think 2 brothers married 2 sisters and I think they were brothers to my line but as I can't find the parents I'm stuck?
Thomas Walmersley married Ann Booth 30th June 1744 St Mary Bury
Joseph Walmersley married Rachel Booth 11th April 1748 St Mary Bury
(they both lived at Boaredge in Birtle Bury, with their families, they were potters and farmers)
My line
James Walmesley married Ann Hampson 29th August 1751 St Mary Bury (I call these Grandparents,even thou its many times)
They had a daughter Ann born at Boaredge, others born in Birtle, but place not named)
My James Walmesley (their son) was born 5th December 1762, abode Castle Hill Bury, (which is very close to Boaredge)
In 1760's they moved to Cliviger and Pot Oven farm, as they were also a family of potters and farmers.
My other confusion is which is the oldest line of the Walmsley Clan was it Rough Hey Oswaldtwistle or Showley Hall?
I thought Sir Thomas Judge Walmsley of Dunkenhalgh, his grandad also Thomas Walmsley was from Showley?
But I came across info that it was his brother Richard about 1602?
The Radcliffes owned Showley Manor, Knight Gilbert Gerrard aquired it, ( how ? it didn't say bought)
In 1602 it was sold to John LIster (a gent), who immeadiateley conveyed it to Richard Walmsley (Brother of the Judge)
Transfered ownership, not saying selling it?
Did he just give it? Why?
(very wierd, and where their parents and grandparents living there as tennants of Radcliffe or Gerrard then?)

I found a George Walmsley of Rough Hey Accrington ( I presume its Oswaldtwistle?) born mid 1600's
He married Isabella Duxbury. 1685
Also an Issac Walmsley of Altham Accrington, born about mid 1000's He married Ann Ingham, about 1690
They were parents of Barnard who went to Liverpool.
Where these 2 brothers?
My line was possibly the Rough Hey line, as I read there was a pottery there, so maybe that's were they learned their trade?
Plus my next line down was Isabella Walmsley born at pot oven.

I found a james Walmsley in 1547 lord derby Bury rentals
At Blue Bell Inn 9houses, potworks, outbuildings, yard and garden, house and Belle meadow( hence pub name I presume?)
If on original site a Bluebell pub closed only in last 5 - 10 years, half way between Bury and Birtle.
Also a William Walmsley (same time) cottage and garden, long meadow and 40 acres.
I've not been able to find out where this was, or if they were brothers?
But over the years, Walmsley's were in the surrounding areas, Bury, Birtle and Rochdale, possible descendants?
I also came across aGeorge and Thomas Walmsley tenants of Cowhouses Accrington in 1527, amongst others.
Could these have been brothers of James and William?
Not knowing the area, Is the Cowhouses area close to Rough Hey, and is Altham?
Close enough to make them relatives?
Another confusing info I came across
In 1365 a dispute over guardianship of underage heir Henry Walmsley, between lord of Bury Sir Roger Pilkington (his wife was Alice Nee Bury)
And Rector of Bury John Radcliffe.
Alice's mum was Margery Nee Radcliffe (it says she tended to use than raather than De Bury)
So was it Mum against Daughter?
But Alice's dad and brother, both called Henry De Bury were supposed to have died?
But for a few years Margery was disputing on behalf of her son Henry (father un named)
She could have married again, a man called Walmsley?
There was supposed to be a family in the area using the name. So the boy would be Alice's step btother, and if she and her husband had control of the child, they had the land.
Such wealing and dealing, that went on.
In 1381 there was A Henry Walmsley and wife living in Harwood, (this could have been the same one, again not sure if this is in the area?)
I know its asking an awful lot, sorry for my first post.
But if you don't ask, you'll never know.
Someone may have the Thomas or Joseph at Boaredge pottery as their ancestors, and have the parents names?

14-06-2017, 10:24	#1
suebeth Junior Member+ Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 8 Liked: 1 times Rep Power: 0	Walmsley's My missing links If anyone can help with my missing links please, that would be great. I think 2 brothers married 2 sisters and I think they were brothers to my line but as I can't find the parents I'm stuck? Thomas Walmersley married Ann Booth 30th June 1744 St Mary Bury Joseph Walmersley married Rachel Booth 11th April 1748 St Mary Bury (they both lived at Boaredge in Birtle Bury, with their families, they were potters and farmers) My line James Walmesley married Ann Hampson 29th August 1751 St Mary Bury (I call these Grandparents,even thou its many times) They had a daughter Ann born at Boaredge, others born in Birtle, but place not named) My James Walmesley (their son) was born 5th December 1762, abode Castle Hill Bury, (which is very close to Boaredge) In 1760's they moved to Cliviger and Pot Oven farm, as they were also a family of potters and farmers. My other confusion is which is the oldest line of the Walmsley Clan was it Rough Hey Oswaldtwistle or Showley Hall? I thought Sir Thomas Judge Walmsley of Dunkenhalgh, his grandad also Thomas Walmsley was from Showley? But I came across info that it was his brother Richard about 1602? The Radcliffes owned Showley Manor, Knight Gilbert Gerrard aquired it, ( how ? it didn't say bought) In 1602 it was sold to John LIster (a gent), who immeadiateley conveyed it to Richard Walmsley (Brother of the Judge) Transfered ownership, not saying selling it? Did he just give it? Why? (very wierd, and where their parents and grandparents living there as tennants of Radcliffe or Gerrard then?) I found a George Walmsley of Rough Hey Accrington ( I presume its Oswaldtwistle?) born mid 1600's He married Isabella Duxbury. 1685 Also an Issac Walmsley of Altham Accrington, born about mid 1000's He married Ann Ingham, about 1690 They were parents of Barnard who went to Liverpool. Where these 2 brothers? My line was possibly the Rough Hey line, as I read there was a pottery there, so maybe that's were they learned their trade? Plus my next line down was Isabella Walmsley born at pot oven. I found a james Walmsley in 1547 lord derby Bury rentals At Blue Bell Inn 9houses, potworks, outbuildings, yard and garden, house and Belle meadow( hence pub name I presume?) If on original site a Bluebell pub closed only in last 5 - 10 years, half way between Bury and Birtle. Also a William Walmsley (same time) cottage and garden, long meadow and 40 acres. I've not been able to find out where this was, or if they were brothers? But over the years, Walmsley's were in the surrounding areas, Bury, Birtle and Rochdale, possible descendants? I also came across aGeorge and Thomas Walmsley tenants of Cowhouses Accrington in 1527, amongst others. Could these have been brothers of James and William? Not knowing the area, Is the Cowhouses area close to Rough Hey, and is Altham? Close enough to make them relatives? Another confusing info I came across In 1365 a dispute over guardianship of underage heir Henry Walmsley, between lord of Bury Sir Roger Pilkington (his wife was Alice Nee Bury) And Rector of Bury John Radcliffe. Alice's mum was Margery Nee Radcliffe (it says she tended to use than raather than De Bury) So was it Mum against Daughter? But Alice's dad and brother, both called Henry De Bury were supposed to have died? But for a few years Margery was disputing on behalf of her son Henry (father un named) She could have married again, a man called Walmsley? There was supposed to be a family in the area using the name. So the boy would be Alice's step btother, and if she and her husband had control of the child, they had the land. Such wealing and dealing, that went on. In 1381 there was A Henry Walmsley and wife living in Harwood, (this could have been the same one, again not sure if this is in the area?) I know its asking an awful lot, sorry for my first post. But if you don't ask, you'll never know. Someone may have the Thomas or Joseph at Boaredge pottery as their ancestors, and have the parents names?