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Originally Posted by big al
Re Rome- the collapse of the Roman Empire was brought about because of the decline of the moral values established to christians. Their attack on the God fearing folk of their time putting them in the arena to be torn apart by wild animals & so on was directly influenced by the integration of the barbarism of pagan ideologies. This eventually eroded the Roman family values & once the family has been taken apart what is left but lack of moral fibre & lack of respect for life.
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In a word- tosh!
Where do you get your history from big al, The Paranoid Christian's Big Book of Naughty Things?
Try Edward Gibbon and then some of the modern historians; Fustel de Coulanges and Yann Le Bohec are both very good.
Jacob Burkhardt on Constantine is also very Illuminating.