[Busman747]

Originally Posted by mani

nice link but its a bit wasted here

too many ignorant ppl

Mani, you disappoint me. I have always looked upon you to give the views of the moderate Muslim population and now you decide to slag off most if not all your fellow accyweb memberswith your sweeping comments.

Try turning this around! Your comment was put on a forum that has a membership made up mostly of "white" people - but if you were white and addressed a forum made up of mostly Middle east/Asian members and called them ignorant, there would be an uproar and possible threats on your life as this comment would be deemed as racist and anti-muslim!!!

Until very recently I believed that the majority of Muslims in this country were moderate and wanted to integrate themselves and their families into the ways of the traditional British system. The Irish have done it, the Poles, we have a large contingent of Ukrainians and Afro-Carribean! If you want religion to enter this equation, we have many Jews, Catholics and there are representatives from just about every religious order in the world - - so what makes Muslims so high and mighty that they can slag off everyone except themselves?

Have you read about Newcastle University? They are considering suspending lectures for 2 hours EVERY Friday afternoon between 12 and 2pm for ALL 17,281 students - - because the 700 Muslims want to pray (jumah) during these hours! If they are successful, and it looks as if they will be, this will spread to ALL Universities and what is next? SCHOOLS?? YOUR WORK PLACE??

Returning to "moderates" I have read today that the "Muslim Association of Britain" which promotes itself as the "moderate" voice of Britain includes a former commander of "Hamas" which is responsible for dozens of suicide bombings in Israel. The association has also been described in parliament as the British wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, the banned Egyptian group whose former members include Osama Bin Laden! So much for moderates!

I originated just outside of Luton and remember well, the case of the 13 year old girl that insisted on wearing her "jilbab" at school! She is now 17 and the case reopens with that bit** Cherry Blair (no spelling mistake, she gives me the pip!) earning £££ thousands talking about "prejudice" and "human rights" I find it ironic that Shabina Begums parents, 2 elder sisters, brother and friends were all against her fighting this in court but - her eldest brother Sharweb 23 pushed her from the start to take this as far as she could. Sharweb is a member of Hizb-ut-Tahrir who's aim is the creation of an international Islamic state ruled by extremist Sharia law - AND HE'S GOT THE PRIME MINISTERS WIFE TO HELP HIM!! It could only happen in this country!

Margaret P. quoted an Australian politician in this thread which I also read and totally agreed with, to remind you, this is what he said:

Recently, Peter Costello (the Minister for the Treasury in Australia) drew an interesting analogy......he said that when entering a mosque it is a sign of respect to remove your shoes......if you feel uncomfortable with that, then you don't enter the mosque...he went on to say that Australia (a host country to many muslims) has a similar concept....if you don't like the way the people live.... then you don't enter.

This is my view exactly! Mani, I have no problem with you being Muslim, BUT! YOU fit your religion into the ways of the people in this country like everyone else, if your religion don't fit, then MOVE! And DON'T call me ignorant without explanation!