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[QUOTE=DeShark]And to think that I was quite enjoying this little discussion/debate/whatever. Then all of a sudden ad hominem attacks begin to surface symbolising a weakness in attack strategy. Rather than turn this into some flame on "The Little Guy", why don't you formulate an intelligent and reasoned argument. I don't agree entirely with Cyfr's points, but there's no need to blatently insult him. This may be news to you, but if you go to a conservative club, you're going to find conservatives. And only the most hard core conservatives will go out of their way to go to said clubs. They're obviously going to be hardcore right-wingers. Or at least a fair few. In the same way that when I go to labour clubs I find that quite a few of the people there willing to indoctrinate me into the ways of Unions and Workers' rights. This doesn't mean that every person who votes labour believes that Unions should be free to roam the earth as Gods. As for this Tory MP that you might have met sometime in the... was is 80's? 90's? Anyway... you met him and you think... well you're pretty sure now you think about it... that he probably said something about conserving for oneself... or whatever. Nice bit of anecdotal evidence that proves...???
you might have been enjoying this debate but you wern't taking much notice?it was me that did meet(not might) and it was well before the 80s/90s as you would know if you knew your politics.