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@ Jambutty: How can you moan about people dragging the thread off topic and then proceed to involve the whole alcohol topic. I appreciate you getting back to the topic at hand, namely "Why should we ban cigarettes outdoors and then still permit cars and lorries to pump out noxious gasses into the environment?"
I thought it would be obvious why a motorbike is less poluting than a car. I thought it'd be obvious that one bus is better than 20 cars (I know very few people who car share). I don't believe for one second that smoking is being banned for environmental reasons. I think it's to do with the health problems caused by passive smoking. You've said that cars produce more health problems for people than passive smoking. I'll take your word for that. Now then, what possible short term (over the next 5 years) solution can you give to stop cars from polluting? Should we all ride the bike to work? What about those who live 100 miles away from work? Should they have to change jobs? What about lorries, essential for keeping food in our supermarkets (and fags in our newsagents)? How else can we transport huge amounts of goods? It's not impossible, however, for you to stop smoking over the next 5 years. I don't mind you smoking, regardless of what I may have said thus far in the thread, *as long as it does not directly affect my health/smell of my clothes/burn holes in my jacket*. The environmental debate is, in my mind, nothing but a detraction from the real reasons that this government might want to ban smoking outside.
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Originally Posted by chav1
if you were that against smoking in pubs and found teh smell so disgusting you wouldnt go into the pubs in the first place but the pleasure of rotting your liver with alchol makes it ok to stand in a smoke filled pub
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I find that completely heartless. I might like building traps in bus shelters. If you find my practise of trap-building so disgusting and dangerous, perhaps you should refrain from catching a bus. I'm sure that sounds as rational to you as your argument sounds to me. As for "rotting my liver"... I *rarely* drink to excess. I believe that a pint or two/a glass of wine/a whisky helps to calm my nerves. It probably reduces the likelihood of me having a mental breakdown. My liver is not going to keel over and die.
Perhaps it is possible to have a smoke once a month or so. But the only people I knew who used to do that are now turning into "only when I go out" and I'm sure they will soon become "only when I go out/am in a stressful situation". It spirals on, but they're going to become full time smokers. It's called addiction.
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Drugs are illegal, some say that they too can be safe in moderation, but thats not true, many a people have died taking them for the first time. Weed is the same as cigarettes, it stinks and it ages you and kills brain cells. People who smoke weed Continuously look thin, pale and gaunt, far older than they are. They look ill
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I like the way you classify all illegal drugs under one roof. Some drugs can and will kill you first time. But some drugs are fine in moderation. I hate weed. I can't stand it. I've seen what it can do to people. But will it kill them first time round? Not unless they choke on their blunt. It's not as addictive as smoking tobacco. So it can be used in moderation. I know a couple of people who will have a rare smoke once every two months or so. Are they stoners who can't hold down a job? Not at all.
It's not a free country at all. Anyone who tries to tell you that has his/her head in the clouds. There are restrictions for a reason. We aren't allowed to do anything we please. There are laws in place to help us to get on with each other. This smoking in pubs ban does exactly that. It goes in favour of the majority. Most people do not smoke. Why should the majority have to put up with the minority? It's ludicrous. They can take 10 minutes, have a smoke outside and then come back to the conversation. It's not some major crackdown on your human rights to abuse your body.
Which is another point. It may be *your* body, but since we have the NHS, it's the rest of society which will look after it. I'm alright doing that as long as you'll look after my body if it goes by the wayside. I'm a healthy human being, I don't do drugs, I've never even tried smoking, I don't do xtreme sports. If we had no NHS, my health insurance would be the lowest of the low (were it not for my families history of cancer). If the NHS stop treating smokers, how many of us are going to own up to being smokers? If I smoked, I sure as hell wouldn't tell the NHS.
My main point however, is that I should be able to enjoy my pint in the pub, without leaving smelling of cigarrettes and ash.