[Madhatter]

Right, if thats true, how was stone henge built? even now building that thing with those humungous great pieces of stone having to brought to the would be an amazing feet of engineering. Now we cast concrete.

The pyramids, they are spot on, in every direction, and point exactly at a star. The stones are HUGE, The pyramids are HUGE, they're also in dessert, how the heck do you get such huge pieces of stone to the top of a huge pyramid in the middle of a sand dessert, to be perfectly square, to the mm, and point exactly at a star.
How did they measure the stone, get it to the site, line it up, I mean the size of the things, and its square, it's not as if you can say oh just tap it over a nats cock that way, is it.
There are other examples all over the world.

Even williamsons tunnels in liverpool. Those men built houses underground, great halls, with interconnecting tunnels all over a huge area of the city. When the cutting was made for the railway into lime street, it cut straight through the tunnels, williamsons men were there to shake hands with the shocked workers. looking at those tunnels, it's mind boggling how such a thing could have even been built yet alone the craftsman ship used at that time.

Then in london they build a concrete monstosity that collapses, yes thats really clever. (ronan point. 1968) years after a williamson built houses underground.

we have computers, and we get computers to do almost everything, but is designing a computer program to do something as clever or more so than designing something to get it done without?

The car engine another example, think how difficult it would have been to build, getting the parts would be difficult enough, no electronic cnc lathes, cad etc, yet it was made, it wa manual, and it was pretty reliable considering whats available now. comparing what they have now, we shouldnt need the AA, it should never break down.

I think the human brain is dying, we are dependant on gadgets to do things for us, take those gadgets away and we'd all be up the creek.

As for the calculator, google search is one. type 12x12 in google and it gives you 144