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SPUGGIE J · 10-07-2006, 09:10

The whips are aptly named for the job they do and it is verbal lashings they use instead of a bull whip or a cat of nine tales. A govenment will always force the legislation through regardless and even when the House of Lords object they use the the fact that what the commons says goes to get it through.

Even comprimise is not ideal as it waters down what is put for and can in some cases be worse or weaker than what was on offer the first time round. When it comes to farce the "West Lotion Question" is the best example there is and as we have our own so called Paliment up here it is more relevent than ever. As I mentioned in another thread its almost like payback when MP's other than the English vote on matters that do not concern them. That is a humungous farce and is undemocratic! How can it be democratic if my MP votes for a bill the govenment puts forth that has no relevence to his constituents just so the govenment can get the bill through? To me they shold not vote on it nor should the govenment regardless of political colour expect them to as its akin to a back door dictatorship.

I for one think that the whole carry on is obsurd and that England Scotland Northern Ireland (if they can stop the childish bickering) and Wales have assemblies and devolved power cannot go it alone. It aint going to break up the UK as it would be like the Commonwealth with each having its own parliment but with the Queen as head of state. Does this make me unfaithful to my country no as all I want is a fare just democratic system that works for all. Yes there will be arguments yes there will be falling outs but that is life and politics The theory that we are stronger united is a a bit outdated as there is devolved power to all the countries of the UK.

As parliment is busy with its cliques and infighting (The Fifer and PM) than how can we move forward with what the people want and/or need? Govenment decide what we should have reguardless if we want it or not and yet we have no direct recourse and have to accept it as is. That is not true democracy.

So all in all I agree with Jambutty its a farce a big bulbous unwielding you are getting it regardless farce which needs fixing. This is the 21c not the 19c!

10-07-2006, 09:10	#18
SPUGGIE J God Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Not sure anymore Posts: 9,009 Blog Entries: 10 Liked: 1 times Rep Power: 515	Re: Keep Party Politics Out Of Government The whips are aptly named for the job they do and it is verbal lashings they use instead of a bull whip or a cat of nine tales. A govenment will always force the legislation through regardless and even when the House of Lords object they use the the fact that what the commons says goes to get it through. Even comprimise is not ideal as it waters down what is put for and can in some cases be worse or weaker than what was on offer the first time round. When it comes to farce the "West Lotion Question" is the best example there is and as we have our own so called Paliment up here it is more relevent than ever. As I mentioned in another thread its almost like payback when MP's other than the English vote on matters that do not concern them. That is a humungous farce and is undemocratic! How can it be democratic if my MP votes for a bill the govenment puts forth that has no relevence to his constituents just so the govenment can get the bill through? To me they shold not vote on it nor should the govenment regardless of political colour expect them to as its akin to a back door dictatorship. I for one think that the whole carry on is obsurd and that England Scotland Northern Ireland (if they can stop the childish bickering) and Wales have assemblies and devolved power cannot go it alone. It aint going to break up the UK as it would be like the Commonwealth with each having its own parliment but with the Queen as head of state. Does this make me unfaithful to my country no as all I want is a fare just democratic system that works for all. Yes there will be arguments yes there will be falling outs but that is life and politics The theory that we are stronger united is a a bit outdated as there is devolved power to all the countries of the UK. As parliment is busy with its cliques and infighting (The Fifer and PM) than how can we move forward with what the people want and/or need? Govenment decide what we should have reguardless if we want it or not and yet we have no direct recourse and have to accept it as is. That is not true democracy. So all in all I agree with Jambutty its a farce a big bulbous unwielding you are getting it regardless farce which needs fixing. This is the 21c not the 19c! __________________ All comments above are nothing to do with here and therefore not the resposibility of the Accrington Web site owners admins or mods. THEY ARE MINE!!!!