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JohnW · 16-08-2006, 11:50

In the absence of Acrylic Bob I will try to start a controversial thread which will hopefully throw up some good debate on a serious subject.

I really think it is time to bring home the boys. It is my opinion that they are now achieving little or nothing for the risks they are taking. Iraq is quite obviously not ready for any kind of democracy. They do not appear to understand it and there are too many people against it who are prepared to kill and maim in order to impede its progress. We are in a totally no-win situation out there and, although it is a different kind of war, it is fast turning into Vietnam 2. If we stay, I believe the present situation will continue into eternity. More and more of the indiginous population seem prepared to take up arms for 'their cause' against the causes of their fellow countrymen and our troops, whatever 'their cause' may be. I have no trust in any of the middle eastern countries and I'm quite sure that they have no trust in us either. So time to go. If we do pull out what is likely to happen?

People worry that the whole area will turn into some kind of power struggle with the likes of Iran and Syria probably coming out on top. Maybe they will. I am at the state when I consider it is non of our bloody business. Israel are strong enough to look after themselves and just need to pull in their heads and respond to any aggression perpetrated against them. It is time to let this area evolve with whatever wars are necessary for it to do so, just like Europe evolved over the last 500 years or so with war after war. Now we seem capable of living in uneasy peace with each other and maybe, in time, the middle east will do the same. Of course, there is always the oil which we need in the west in order to carry on our daily lives. Well, the only thing the whole area has to bring in any revenue is oil. You can bet your lives that they will find some way to continue those revenue streams, but if it means an oil shortage and that we have to start using smaller vehicles less often etc. then so be it. Such a situation would probably bring forth new technology, necessity being the mother of invention and all that.

I have the same thoughts about Afghanistan also. Pull them out. No occupying army has ever had any success in that country.

16-08-2006, 11:50	#1
JohnW Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Augustine, Florida, U Posts: 717 Liked: 0 times Rep Power: 50	Iraq - time to pull out now George & Tony. In the absence of Acrylic Bob I will try to start a controversial thread which will hopefully throw up some good debate on a serious subject. I really think it is time to bring home the boys. It is my opinion that they are now achieving little or nothing for the risks they are taking. Iraq is quite obviously not ready for any kind of democracy. They do not appear to understand it and there are too many people against it who are prepared to kill and maim in order to impede its progress. We are in a totally no-win situation out there and, although it is a different kind of war, it is fast turning into Vietnam 2. If we stay, I believe the present situation will continue into eternity. More and more of the indiginous population seem prepared to take up arms for 'their cause' against the causes of their fellow countrymen and our troops, whatever 'their cause' may be. I have no trust in any of the middle eastern countries and I'm quite sure that they have no trust in us either. So time to go. If we do pull out what is likely to happen? People worry that the whole area will turn into some kind of power struggle with the likes of Iran and Syria probably coming out on top. Maybe they will. I am at the state when I consider it is non of our bloody business. Israel are strong enough to look after themselves and just need to pull in their heads and respond to any aggression perpetrated against them. It is time to let this area evolve with whatever wars are necessary for it to do so, just like Europe evolved over the last 500 years or so with war after war. Now we seem capable of living in uneasy peace with each other and maybe, in time, the middle east will do the same. Of course, there is always the oil which we need in the west in order to carry on our daily lives. Well, the only thing the whole area has to bring in any revenue is oil. You can bet your lives that they will find some way to continue those revenue streams, but if it means an oil shortage and that we have to start using smaller vehicles less often etc. then so be it. Such a situation would probably bring forth new technology, necessity being the mother of invention and all that. I have the same thoughts about Afghanistan also. Pull them out. No occupying army has ever had any success in that country. __________________ View my site @ www.btinternet.com/~ukjaguar/index.htm JohnW