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steeljack · 22-12-2006, 17:18

ok back to topic ,
#1 Bush/Blair invaded Iraq and expected the population to sing Hosannas and in return got a blackeye, 3000 odd dead on the allies side and God knows many thousands of Iraqi women and children , the occupation of Iraq has turned into a complete disaster, apart from the original reasons (WMD etc) being shown to be a pack of lies, the idea that we brought freedom to the average Iraqi is a sick joke , 4 yrs later the average Iraqi is worse off now than at any time under Saddam Hussien, no electric/water etc.
#2 Wether they like it or not Bush/Blair are going to have to talk to the Iranian and Syrian Govts and get their help (thats right I said help) to sort out the mess. If Bush/Blair insist on a fully democratic Iraq (majority rule , one man one vote etc.) it means a Shia Govt. with ties to Iran, and that means upsetting the major oil suppliers the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States .
#3 Months ago I wrote in another thread that in my opinion Iraq should revert to its natural historical borders , the modern day Iraq is an artificial British creation, (Gertude Bell and Winston Churchill )at the end of WW1. The 500 odd years under Turkish rule as three distinct provinces prooved to be much better, Mosul, Baghdad and Basra (Kurd, Sunni and Shia)
#4 In no way can an alien culture rule a conqered nation without local help , MacArthur prooved this in 45 in Japan by insisting the Emperor stay on the throne, when many wanted him to stand trial for war crimes. Bush/Blair made the mistake of disbanding many local infrastrucures including the police and army. Insensitivites to local culture by ignorant/uneducated occupying forces can do more harm than bullets (the bivouacing of the US Marines on the site of Babylon and excavating the site as a source of sand bag fill is nothing more than pure vandalism).
#5 I still say, re. the 'war on terror' we should have concentrated more on Afghanistan, and finding and punishing Bin Laden and his Taleban cohorts, The western imposed president Kharzai (sp?) is nothing more than a gangster , similar to the Chalabi guy in Iraq, opium production in Afghanistan is at highest levels ever and this in a country supposedly under NATO occupation .

"When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty,
and there is nothing more to fear from them,
then he is always stirring up some war or other,
in order that the people may require a leader."

Quote by: Plato
(429-347 BC)

22-12-2006, 17:18	#21
steeljack God Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: SF/ Bay Area California Posts: 4,002 Liked: 0 times Rep Power: 1338	Re: The Military and The Media ok back to topic , #1 Bush/Blair invaded Iraq and expected the population to sing Hosannas and in return got a blackeye, 3000 odd dead on the allies side and God knows many thousands of Iraqi women and children , the occupation of Iraq has turned into a complete disaster, apart from the original reasons (WMD etc) being shown to be a pack of lies, the idea that we brought freedom to the average Iraqi is a sick joke , 4 yrs later the average Iraqi is worse off now than at any time under Saddam Hussien, no electric/water etc. #2 Wether they like it or not Bush/Blair are going to have to talk to the Iranian and Syrian Govts and get their help (thats right I said help) to sort out the mess. If Bush/Blair insist on a fully democratic Iraq (majority rule , one man one vote etc.) it means a Shia Govt. with ties to Iran, and that means upsetting the major oil suppliers the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States . #3 Months ago I wrote in another thread that in my opinion Iraq should revert to its natural historical borders , the modern day Iraq is an artificial British creation, (Gertude Bell and Winston Churchill )at the end of WW1. The 500 odd years under Turkish rule as three distinct provinces prooved to be much better, Mosul, Baghdad and Basra (Kurd, Sunni and Shia) #4 In no way can an alien culture rule a conqered nation without local help , MacArthur prooved this in 45 in Japan by insisting the Emperor stay on the throne, when many wanted him to stand trial for war crimes. Bush/Blair made the mistake of disbanding many local infrastrucures including the police and army. Insensitivites to local culture by ignorant/uneducated occupying forces can do more harm than bullets (the bivouacing of the US Marines on the site of Babylon and excavating the site as a source of sand bag fill is nothing more than pure vandalism). #5 I still say, re. the 'war on terror' we should have concentrated more on Afghanistan, and finding and punishing Bin Laden and his Taleban cohorts, The western imposed president Kharzai (sp?) is nothing more than a gangster , similar to the Chalabi guy in Iraq, opium production in Afghanistan is at highest levels ever and this in a country supposedly under NATO occupation . "When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing more to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader." Quote by: Plato (429-347 BC)