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Originally Posted by West Ender
Oh, I wish that were true. I agree it was, to a degree, when I first "joined up" in 1960 (had you been born then?), which is why I worked hard to get qualifications so that I could. It probably still is for some of the bowler-hatted brigade in London, but for the average foot-soldier the days of the "good number" are long gone.
1) Not so - the "paper pusher" grade starts on £9K a year and rises to £15K.
2) Absolute rubbish - where do you get that stupid idea from? Sick Leave is a complete no-no - to the point where people are going to work when they're ill for fear of losing their jobs.
3) Very little job security these days. Read my keyboard - 25000 to lose their jobs within 5 years, on top of the ones who have already been pushed.
4) Which part of my explanation of the pension system went over your head?
It's all academic, in relation to the topic of this thread. My first point was referring to the "acheivements" of Mr. Blair and, I'll repeat, the public will suffer in the long run from the hatcheting of C S jobs.
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1) still better than the average private sector wage, and that's looking at mean and median averages in order to not massage the figures by a few mega-high earners (see "public sector rich-list")
2) statistics prove it. Public sector workers take a lot more "sick" time off than private sector workers
3) job security is still better in the state than private sector
4) I read all of it thanks. Pensions are still better in the state than private sector. Let me assure you nothing went over my head and there's no need to insinuate stupidity if you want a sensible debate and I'm more than capable of getting out my calculator and going through a cost-benefit pensions payment scenario using as many discounted future cash flow models as you want.(but hey, this is the internet........
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Hope the above clarifies. - think the point I'm making is you might think it's crap in the state sector and maybe it is, but the grass is not necessarily greener on the other side.
If the deal is so bad in the state sector, try getting a better deal in the private sector.
Or stop whinging!
(no offence intended!)
At least in the private sector you don't have to put up with the unions stirring it up.
Finally given the evidence to back up my earlier claims you can withdraw the "rubbish / stupid" inferences. Or back up your arguments......!
Sources:
1) BBC. / Chartered institure of personnel development / The Guardian / Office of NAtional Statistics.
For example:
Office for National Statistics calculated that the average public sector worker earns 20 per cent more than his or her private sector counterpart. The ONS’s Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings shows that public sector workers are not underpaid and exploited. Median hourly pay, excluding overtime, for a public sector worker is £10.50, compared to only £8.71 in the private sector.
2) Office of National Statistics / The Guardian / The Taxpayers Alliance / Centre for Policy studies
Average sick leave per annum: 10 days vs. 7 days
3) The Guardian / Centre for Policy Studies / Manchester University
4) none needed
better get back to the j-o-b..........
ps when I was born is irrelevant, as is what is was like whne you joined up in the 60's.
We dont compete with the past