[jambutty]

A second chamber without teeth as it is now is worse than useless. Although they can and do make the government in office think again, the government can force through an issue if the government wants to. So what is the point of a second chamber?

Appointed by whom Cyfr? Appointments can only lead to loading the second house with sycophants of the government. Cash for appointments springs to mind.

If there is to be a second chamber then the only fair way is for the members to be voted in by the general public. But then what is the point if the government can override any decisions.

I feel that it would be better if the House of Commons became a true democracy and not as it is today an oligarchy. How that would be achieved is a different discussion.