[mickmc]

Have posted on this subject months ago and any of you guys can look it up - but for those who have read it and know my views on this, I will reduce it to just the one line me old Dad said to me about children

"Give em what they need, not neccessarily what they want" !!

And he went on to bring 8 of us up alone after mum died when I was 1, and still carried on working too. - all 8 turned out fine, no real trouble with the law and have all gone on to lead fulfiled lives with the morals and respect learnt from a very wise man

and for those curious - yes he used "reasonable" corporal punishment when we damned well deserved it - and the greatest moral of his way was that we knew we deserved it !!