[shillelagh]

The government cannot bring your kids up for you. The parents are the ones who teach them right from wrong. Then when they get older - friends are their influences along with tv, radio, newspapers, music, internet etc. You cant blame just one its them all. Im lucky in a way i dont have any kids and so dont have to bother about outside influences on my kids. But i do have nieces and nephews and 3 of them are teenagers 18, 15, and 13. You dont know what your kids get up to once they leave the house to go out with their mates. You only hope that once they are out that they dont forget what you have taught them - to respect their elders, behave, dont get involved in drugs, etc. It's not the church's fault, its not the governments fault, its not the parents fault - its the kids themselves if they do something against the law then they should take the full consequences not see it as a holiday etc. Those kids who have been arrested for this one is 14 one is 18. They are old enough to know what is right and what is wrong.