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I think I have always been 'civilised' in this thread and have presented the alternative argument in a reasonable way.
I haven't said 'I don't like you' because I don't know and I never tell lies
I think 'the jury is now out' - either side of this argument is not likely to change our individual entrenched opinions
Thanks for the mental excercise and the excuse for in depth Googling 
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Where have I said you weren't civilised? Wrong, in fact completely wrong but NEVER uncivilised!
I haven't said "I don't like you because well, to be honest most of the time I do because you put forward many sensible thought's today though, you are wrong, (and it gives me no pleasure to tell you this),
(it's in red 'cos I want it to be not as some sort of insult).
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gandalfthewhite=What a load of utter rubbish, gandalfthewhite is a silly name I chose for this forum, that's all it is, an alias, father xmas totally different, there is no irony.
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let me know if you would like pointing to an on line Dictionary then you can look up irony?
