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Originally Posted by jambutty
Whether you like it or not or are prepared to admit it, wanting a criminal punished for their crime is exacting vengeance on them. But instead of doing it ourselves we let the judicial system do it on our behalf.
Let me see if I have got this right. Christianity stemmed from Jesus who was the Son of God. God handed down the Ten Commandments to Moses one of which was the ‘thou shalt not kill’ bit. It also stated ‘thou shalt not steal’ ‘nor covet thy neighbour’s wife’. There’s an awful lot of stealing going on and coveting.
Yet according to the Old Testament this God parted the waters of the Red Sea to let the Israelites through then let the waters close on the thousands of Egyptian soldiers pursuing them and they drowned. This God didn’t do this just once he did it twice. This God killed the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah when they refused to change their licentious and incestuous ways. This God ordered the Israelites to attack and take Jericho by force, meaning that they killed all and sundry. Jericho was the first of many cities dealt with in this way. This God struck down all who opposed him or blasphemed him.
Oh! I get it! The God was a ‘do as I say’ not a ‘do as I do’ God.
For centuries Christians have raised armies and attacked and killed their enemies for no other reason than to gain land or to foist their beliefs onto others. The last notable Christian to have killed millions, albeit by proxy, was Adolph Hitler and I do believe that he was a Catholic.
2. The question is academic because we don’t have the death penalty in the UK.
3. I have no idea. Which countries are you referring to? Us and the US? Some statistics would be helpful to back up your claim.
4. Lock them up until their death or hang them.
It is not my definition but that of people far clever and more thoroughly versed in the English language than me.
The passing of the death sentence is an action by a judge in accordance with the law and is thus a legal action just as much as handing out 10 years clink. Murder by definition is not a legal action.
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Right I will take your answers in order.
1) God and other christians have maimed, slaughtered, executed, raped, pillaged and massacred in the past so it's ok for modern christians to do the same? Hmm touch of hypocrisy methinks.
2) Yes the question is academic but you are arguing in favour of the death penalty so it is a possibility that has to be considered. Ipso Facto I am still awaiting the answer.
3)Try this address here
NationMaster - Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country
this gives a list of the main nations and there murder rates.
4) Right so executing a criminal for 1 offence will act as a serious deterrent to stop them killing 2, 3 or even more times. Hmmm yes I see your argument there.
I was only following your definition of murder, and by following that I am correct in calling capital punishment murder by the state.
Yes they may have been found guilty in a court of law, yes it may be a jury of peers, however the prosecution when it is pushing for the death penalty glorifies all the lurid detail in almost pornographic detail and is no better than a tabloid paper. All the details would have come out in the trial itself so why they need to dwell on it is pure sensationalism.