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Originally Posted by jambutty
You are evading the issue in trying to lay the blame on mismanagement.
The point is that the doctors and nurses have been trained to doctor and nurse by the state at enormous expense. Do you really expect any of them to take on a cleaning job whilst a post comes up somewhere?
It’s all very well glibly stating that “there are lots of jobs available”. The question is where? Would you as a 54 years old engineer be prepared to uproot your family, sell your house, disrupt your kids schooling and move half way across the country to get a job? Or travel 50 miles a day to get to the new job? And then get castigated for adding to the road congestion and atmospheric carbon.
There is no doubt that there is a hard core of work-shy people who exploit the system but there are ten times the number who are genuine and just cannot find a job that pays them more than they get on the dole. Why should they be tarred with the same brush as the work-shy?
Earn their benefits Cyfr? Most have by paying exorbitant taxes and NI during their working life until they were chucked on the scrap heap.
As I have stated before all you “go get any job” brigade would have a different view on the issue if it were YOU who was on the dole.
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Doctors and Nurses have generally had huge amounts of their courses paid for so they're in nowhere near as much debt as the rest of students. If people decide to take on careers where they know there might not be a place for them, then its not the states role to make a job where it isn't available and it isn't the states role to tell them "Well its okay, We'll pay you to sit on your arse while we tax everyone elses hard work". Its exactly the same as the thousands of students studying media. They KNOW the market is way over saturated and they'll need to get other jobs. Just because you have a degree does NOT make you too good to be a cleaner or any other job that doesn't require specific qualifications!
I simply don't believe that somebody with 30 or 40 years of engineering experience would struggle to find a job that he/she can travel to easily. The market would snap them up.
Yes people are taxed a lot, but this money goes towards the NHS, Policing, Education, Defence and everything else the government provides. It isn't your God given right to have benefits without doing the jobs that the Conservatives are suggesting. Not to add that we wouldn't have to pay so much tax if there weren't so many people being paid to not work through their own choice!
I think your statement about the "go get a job brigade" is an awful argument. If for whatever reason I ended up on the dole, I would not expect honest working citizens to fund me sitting around. Working as a cleaner would be fine with me. I should have to work for the money until I can find a better job for myself.
I don't care if I have a Degree, Masters or PHD, if there is no work for me then I'd be grateful of a job offered to me by the state that allows me to have a basic income.