[Margaret Pilkington]

Yes, you are right, but is there not a quotation that goes something along the lines that if you traina child to the way it should go, then it won't deviate from that way.......also if more parents had the guts to say NO to their children and mean it, then perhaps we would get somewhere.

I think it is a small proportion of feral youngsters, that give lots of good children a bad name.........and we reward these feral youngsters with trips away.....Ipods and such.......to my way of thinking this is not the way forward.......they should get nothing and the children who do well should be the ones who are rewarded.
Perhaps my thinking is very old fashioned.