[derekgas]

Ok, I will say it again, bring back national service, hanging, birch, etc etc, polly, your are beginning to sounds like a social worker, and in my opinion, they are part of the problem, plenty of good intention but no idea about reality, you cannot blame the parents totally, and cannot go around removing children from families because one/all the children have problems, you need to diagnose the problems CORRECTLY first, then address those problems, removing the kids is not the answer, I have two adopted children who are problematic, so am I to be locked up, and my other kids taken away because of that?