[cashman]

Originally Posted by West Ender

You are so right. Being afraid of what your dad, or mum, might do to you if you do wrong doesn't mean not being loved. If it did then most of my generation would have been "unloved" children - and I can assure you we weren't. We were "afraid" of teachers too, in as much as we knew better than to step out of line, and in awe of policemen.

trouble with that is although correct n commonsense we are viewed as " Dinasors" by the pillocks in society.