[derekgas]

Archiveuk, you still dont grasp it do you?, I used to work with a bloke who was a gentle giant, strong as an ox, do anything for anybody, some guys used to wind him up about his missus, who was a good looking nurse, he was having a bad time with his work too, nothing going right for him, he snapped and killed himself in his car with a hose through the window from the exhaust, whilst locked in the garage, I dont for a second think that he realised the possibility that his much loved 10 year old son would find him dead, suicides DO NOT REALISE what they inflict on other people, it is not a consideration for them, they do not intentionally inconvenience others.