[Darby]

In reality HBC is US...or they represent US....Apathy is when we believe that the responsibility is somebody elses.

But CJ, we should be the ones who get HBC changed to do what we think is right and not believe what they say, but by the results they produce.

OK, I'm not on my soap-box and actually I think yourself, myself, a couple of others all have the right opinion on the matter. It simply boils down to; "who is going to do what about it" . We can all complain, and often do, but when it comes down to "push not shove" we are limited to what we can actually do. I'm in E. Germany, Doug is elsewhere, you're somewhere in Accy (I believe), and many others (JohnW etc.) are spread around.
With the best will in the world, we are very limited!! But there's always the power of the pen!! And that's perhaps somewhere where we can be effective.

Besides some of us have to work as well!

There are non so blind as those who cannot / will not see.!!