I actually only read a few posts and I only got up to Mancie's, which I quoted, before I posted the rest of my opinion, and I don't remember if I agreed with anyone before I got there.
I am capable of having my own opinion. I don't really see why it matters if it matches anyone else's, it's not like ANY government is going to listen
I think real change will come from action, and as we're in an era of stamping out as much protest as possible by throwing terrorist legislation at it, I guess that isn't going to happen unless it comes from the governments themselves.
Now Dave has got his head around the idea of change, but whether he has his head around what the public want and NEED is a different matter.