[Taggy]

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

So if they stopped immigration then where would they go? There are genuine cases of refugee Muslims looking for a better life and to deny them that life would be an unchristian thing to do. They arrive here to be free from what ever tyranny they faced and to earn a living not to see what they can get off the Gov. I am not saying that they all see us as a cash cow but a minority do. The way I look at it is that they have a right to live as they choose its a free country. A minority of bad apples have helped make them insular as we have labeled them the same as the aformentioned bad apples. As side question "were do you get any odds n ends or your alcohol if you run out at christmas and new year?

I'm sorry but the vast majority of immigrants to this country are not facing any form of Tyranny, they are purely coming for a better life than exists in their own Countries. I'm not saying immigration should be stopped, but that there should be strict criteria governing it! Genuine refugees Yes, for the rest it should be via a points scoring system based on what skills they offer, and what skills we as a Country need at a given time. I dont see that its a minority of Bad Apples that is making them feel insular either, of course this never helps, the vast Majority of Muslims choose to live amongst their own communities, and only truelly mix with others on a minority of occasions when they have little choice. In social situations they very rarely integrate either, i cant recall seeing many Muslims in our Cafes, Restaurants, Pubs, they dont even use the major supermarkets in great numbers, prefering to use their own outlets and suppliers.

So one of the points i'm trying to make is that when a group of people who do not want to mix and integrate, grow so large as to be able to potentially dominate areas or indeed a Country, what happens then. Do you think under these circumstances that we would see Muslims as being tolerant, would Islam be a religeon that tolerates others. The impression i get is that Islamic Nations do not tend to embrace other religeons within their Countries to the degree that we embrace others in this Country. It would be interesting to see if Islam if it becomes dominant would preach the doctrine of Multiculturalism. As for bits and bobs over xmas and new year, i find these days, the supermarkets only close for a day or two at the most, ive never needed to buy anything on Christmas day yet, i'm 52 now, so ive managed quite well!

Best Regards - Taggy