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g jones · 07-03-2010, 22:08

I have just had this response from John Moss.

The figures Mr Moss uses below are not HBC but HBC+LCC+Police+Fire (Full Council tax) - yet he attaches political control to just HBC and the Tories from 2004-2010.

Below Mr Moss says that LCC/HBC/Police/Fire were all Conservative controlled between 2004-2010 to arrive at his figures of 4.19% when in fact between 2004 and 2010 LCC was not Conservative Controlled but Labour controlled. Only HBC was Tory Controlled.

LCC makes up 72% of Council Tax. Police and Fire 13%. HBC 15%

Therefore it is impossible for Labour could have put it up £371 more because between 2004-2010 85% was set by Labour or a Labour controlled Police and Fire Authority.

Mr Moss clearly does not understand two tier local government which quite frankly presents a very poor understanding of politics. An honest mistake maybe and I just hope Mr Moss acknowledges and removes it from his blog.

I would also point to another inaccuracy.

No such thing as a NOC budget in 2000. In 2000 HBC may have been NOC but Adrian Shurmer was an Independent (who the Tories did not field a candidate against to win a 'Labour' seat) who voted for Peter Britcliffe as Tory Leader and he helped vote through a Tory budget.

John Moss said...
Year control Band D % increase
1993-1994 lab 635 -
1994-1995 lab 689 8.5
1995-1996 lab 700 1.6
1996-1997 lab 751 7.3
1997-1998 lab 817 8.8
1998-1999 lab 868 6.2
1999-2000 lab 940 8.3
2000-2001 noc 982 4.5
2001-2002 con 1,026 4.5
2002-2003 con 1,098 7.0
2003-2004 lab 1,200 9.3

2004-2005 con 1,259 4.9
2005-2006 con 1,300 3.3
2006-2007 con 1,364 4.9
2007-2008 con 1,439 5.5
2008-2009 con 1,493 3.8
2009-2010 con 1,544 3.4
2010-2011 con 1,544 0.0

Average increase delivered by Labour 7.14%

Average increase delivered by Concervatives 4.17%

If increases had continued at Labour average, difference would actually have been just over £400 a year.

07-03-2010, 22:08	#11
g jones Senior Member+ Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,125 Liked: 14 times Rep Power: 732	Re: Tory Candidate fiddling Council Tax figures I have just had this response from John Moss. The figures Mr Moss uses below are not HBC but HBC+LCC+Police+Fire (Full Council tax) - yet he attaches political control to just HBC and the Tories from 2004-2010. Below Mr Moss says that LCC/HBC/Police/Fire were all Conservative controlled between 2004-2010 to arrive at his figures of 4.19% when in fact between 2004 and 2010 LCC was not Conservative Controlled but Labour controlled. Only HBC was Tory Controlled. LCC makes up 72% of Council Tax. Police and Fire 13%. HBC 15% Therefore it is impossible for Labour could have put it up £371 more because between 2004-2010 85% was set by Labour or a Labour controlled Police and Fire Authority. Mr Moss clearly does not understand two tier local government which quite frankly presents a very poor understanding of politics. An honest mistake maybe and I just hope Mr Moss acknowledges and removes it from his blog. I would also point to another inaccuracy. No such thing as a NOC budget in 2000. In 2000 HBC may have been NOC but Adrian Shurmer was an Independent (who the Tories did not field a candidate against to win a 'Labour' seat) who voted for Peter Britcliffe as Tory Leader and he helped vote through a Tory budget. John Moss said... Year control Band D % increase 1993-1994 lab 635 - 1994-1995 lab 689 8.5 1995-1996 lab 700 1.6 1996-1997 lab 751 7.3 1997-1998 lab 817 8.8 1998-1999 lab 868 6.2 1999-2000 lab 940 8.3 2000-2001 noc 982 4.5 2001-2002 con 1,026 4.5 2002-2003 con 1,098 7.0 2003-2004 lab 1,200 9.3 2004-2005 con 1,259 4.9 2005-2006 con 1,300 3.3 2006-2007 con 1,364 4.9 2007-2008 con 1,439 5.5 2008-2009 con 1,493 3.8 2009-2010 con 1,544 3.4 2010-2011 con 1,544 0.0 Average increase delivered by Labour 7.14% Average increase delivered by Concervatives 4.17% If increases had continued at Labour average, difference would actually have been just over £400 a year. Last edited by g jones; 07-03-2010 at 22:17.