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Old 07-08-2010, 20:41   #64
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Re: Do the Scots REALLY want Independance?

You got me wrong guys, I was simply pointing out the errors in historical fact that Gordon had posted.

Like I said..history is history, the fact that I'm Irish (and proud of it) does not mean I bear a grudge, why would I, England has done nothing to me, it provides me with a job, a wife (hmmm...questionable), and a good quality of life.

Yes of course other colonising countries used the same methods, I totally agree. You only have to read up on what Pizarro and Cortez did.

And yes, William Wilberforce was a major player in aboloshing slavery, that doesn't preclude the fact that slavery was supported and encouraged by the British Empire for a number of years.

Regarding the Afrikaan concentration camps, again I was pointing out an inaccuracy about the British Empire 'NEVER' participating in ethnic cleansing. I agree with Gordon that they cleaned up their act when the British public found out, my point is they did it first! I agree they were set up to contain the Boers, but that does not excuse the fact that women and children were incarcerated and forgotten about until they died. Ask any German (and I'm sure Dave has) how they feel about concentration camps and I'm sure they would be as disgusted now as the British public were then. All I'm clumsily trying to say is that the British Empire, although necessary for the age, was not such a wonderful thing, and should not be looked at through rose tinted spectacles.

I dont dispute Namibia or the atrocities, or the 'no prisoners' by the german General, but then again T.E.Lawrence in his book Seven Pillars of Wisdom relates of an event when he did exactly the same thing. As for the inhuman experiments carried out there, who can say what would have happened in those Boer camps had the technology, idealism and knowledge been available.

And the film was written and directed by two Englishmen.
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