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Darby · 30-09-2004, 08:07

Ifty, You are obviously a man of conscience, and feel very strongly about the issues. Thank you, at least you are addressing the topic, and trying to apply your logic to it.

I firmly believe (although I haven't seen it with my own eyes), that you are correct when you say that those who believe and are peacefull cannot influence those who want to kill. You are probably closer to the realities of Islamic code and attitudes than most of us.

But, if we all say that we cannot change those who would go from their families and friends to the middle east to fight and kill the infidels, then we have failed in our beliefs. We should never say that we cannot change people. It happens all the time.....just as those who come from good homes and apply their religion faithfully, would never go to kill infidels, just because they see it on TV, and hear about it daily...........but they do!

This current upsurge in religion, especially islamic, is (I believe) caused by a dissatisfaction with western values and life. But nobody made anybody accept the western values and life styles. I personally, don't like the current trends in our society either. But I an civilised enough to know that it can be changed without recourse to violence or political activity.

Those of us who are old enough know that if we change our children, and they change their children....the we can set the example that can change other children... ad infinitum. Unfortunately the press and media make the battle even more difficult by pedling tripe at every opportunity...but that's another story. My sons and my grandchildren have an honest and open viewpoint, but one thing they learnt for sure is: "the difference between WRONG and RIGHT"

30-09-2004, 08:07	#41
Darby Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Albions End Posts: 691 Liked: 2 times Rep Power: 44	Re: Execution in Iraq Ifty, You are obviously a man of conscience, and feel very strongly about the issues. Thank you, at least you are addressing the topic, and trying to apply your logic to it. I firmly believe (although I haven't seen it with my own eyes), that you are correct when you say that those who believe and are peacefull cannot influence those who want to kill. You are probably closer to the realities of Islamic code and attitudes than most of us. But, if we all say that we cannot change those who would go from their families and friends to the middle east to fight and kill the infidels, then we have failed in our beliefs. We should never say that we cannot change people. It happens all the time.....just as those who come from good homes and apply their religion faithfully, would never go to kill infidels, just because they see it on TV, and hear about it daily...........but they do! This current upsurge in religion, especially islamic, is (I believe) caused by a dissatisfaction with western values and life. But nobody made anybody accept the western values and life styles. I personally, don't like the current trends in our society either. But I an civilised enough to know that it can be changed without recourse to violence or political activity. Those of us who are old enough know that if we change our children, and they change their children....the we can set the example that can change other children... ad infinitum. Unfortunately the press and media make the battle even more difficult by pedling tripe at every opportunity...but that's another story. My sons and my grandchildren have an honest and open viewpoint, but one thing they learnt for sure is: "the difference between WRONG and RIGHT"