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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
Why make such a song and dance about giving us free will, when it is so blatantly nothing of the kind? And what's with the charade of giving us Christians his only son to die for our sins. It's very considerate, I'm sure, but as offers go it seems a bit illogical to go to such extremes when as an omnipotent being you could, if you chose, wipe them out anyway.
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You seem to have contradicted yourself here. Yes of course God could have chosen to wipe out the consequences of all sin but in doing so would it really have taught anyone anything? Would anyone have any incentive not to sin? You claim that our free-will is blatantly nothing of the kind and yet the suggestion you make would certainly be just that - we would not be free agents, free to choose between right and wrong as we currently are.
Isn't it better that we have the chance to learn? Oh and BTW he didn't give his son to "us Christians" Christ gave his life for the whole of humanity - Christianity hadn't been invented then.
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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob
And another thing, why does revelation of any kind have to be delivered in such ridiculously ambiguous language. If you are going to give the plot away, then give it away, I see little point or sense in all this coquettish mystification. All it does is serve to sow dissention and discord because people cannot agree on what it all means.
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The basic Gospel is plain as a pike staff (come to think of it - what is a pike staff and exactly how plain is one?)
See what I mean? When the various books of the Bible were written the wording and style of writing was clear to those who wrote it. They used terminology of their day in much the same way we do. I don't even know what a pike staff is and yet I used reference to it in order to emphasise my point.
The basic truths of Christian scripture are so plain and simple that people miss them.
1. Believe that Jesus Christ is the Saviour.
2. Repent of all wrong doing
3. Change your ways and follow him
4. Be guided by the Holy Spirit
The rest follows.
And on the subject of Commandements, although we were originally given 10, these were added to and embellished to such an extent during Old Testament times that Jesus had a thing or two to say on the subject himself. He boiled it all down to two basic principles.
1. Love God
2. Love other people
Yes, I'm a Christian and I'm willing to say so categorically and I feel great sorrow when I read posts ridiculing the sacrifice Christ was willing to endure on behalf of all of us. I may not be very popular for saying this but I'm more than willing to be unpopular in this instance.