Accrington Web - View Single Post

Darby · 15-10-2004, 09:49

Horror.............I smacked my sons when they were very bad. And the youngest was recovering from Leukamia, but he had to be disciplined when he was really out of order, and he knew that! It hurt me more than it hurt them. They were smacked (not beaten) at an age where they could not logically understand why they had done something wrong, and I could not hold a rational conversation with them for them to understand what was wrong! But they sure understood a smacking (it didn't really hurt, but it embarassed and shocked them)

I also believe that what Kippax says is a valid an justified arguement. I would love to be able to do what he advocates, but I hold very strong beliefs, and was brought up the way I was brought-up, smacked very little, and only when I'd been very bad...and it worked for me, and my sister. When kids are older (depending on the individual), say about 12 or so, you can hold a rational discussion with them and smacking becomes redundant, and totally unnecessary

By that time they should know right from wrong, or we as parents, have failed in our parental duties.

With the advent of making physical punishment illegal (well in most instances), the discipline has gone (not all parents let it go - therefore not all kids have lost their self discipline). It's no good punishing the parents for a kids indiscretions, it's the kid who has to learn, and they won't learn if somebody else is punished! Remember the adage "Spare the rod and spoil the child" Dickensian...and extreme, but it made boys ..men!

We can argue until we are blue in the face about this issue...and nothing will change. Society has to redress the situation and that can only come from wise politicians and sensible law makers---fat chance of finding any of them!!

But the current situation is out of hand and worsening daily. Just ask yourself the following questions:

1. How did the situation become so bad?
2. What created the situation to worsen?
3. When did it start?
4. What values and examples are set by todays society to correct the situation or exacerbate it?
5. Who is willing to correct it (the situation that is)?
6. How can we go back to a society that is just and fair?

Some of my answers are:

Blame - Politicians, Political Correctness, The Legal Society, The Press, The Media, and finally the Parents and their deteriorating standards.

Correction - Dump the pollies, get rid of 95% of the Legal parasites, Make the Press and Media accountable for their tripe.
Make parents responsible for their own lack of self discipline, and responsible for their actions so they can set an example for todays young generation.
Make: No rights without responsibilities, a requirement of our society, and ditch the European Human Rights Bill.

I am not the worlds best dad...I am what I am............but my lads and grandchildren say I'm better than any other dad or grand-dad.

15-10-2004, 09:49	#39
Darby Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Albions End Posts: 691 Liked: 2 times Rep Power: 44	Re: Young people today Horror.............I smacked my sons when they were very bad. And the youngest was recovering from Leukamia, but he had to be disciplined when he was really out of order, and he knew that! It hurt me more than it hurt them. They were smacked (not beaten) at an age where they could not logically understand why they had done something wrong, and I could not hold a rational conversation with them for them to understand what was wrong! But they sure understood a smacking (it didn't really hurt, but it embarassed and shocked them) I also believe that what Kippax says is a valid an justified arguement. I would love to be able to do what he advocates, but I hold very strong beliefs, and was brought up the way I was brought-up, smacked very little, and only when I'd been very bad...and it worked for me, and my sister. When kids are older (depending on the individual), say about 12 or so, you can hold a rational discussion with them and smacking becomes redundant, and totally unnecessary By that time they should know right from wrong, or we as parents, have failed in our parental duties. With the advent of making physical punishment illegal (well in most instances), the discipline has gone (not all parents let it go - therefore not all kids have lost their self discipline). It's no good punishing the parents for a kids indiscretions, it's the kid who has to learn, and they won't learn if somebody else is punished! Remember the adage "Spare the rod and spoil the child" Dickensian...and extreme, but it made boys ..men! We can argue until we are blue in the face about this issue...and nothing will change. Society has to redress the situation and that can only come from wise politicians and sensible law makers---fat chance of finding any of them!! But the current situation is out of hand and worsening daily. Just ask yourself the following questions: 1. How did the situation become so bad? 2. What created the situation to worsen? 3. When did it start? 4. What values and examples are set by todays society to correct the situation or exacerbate it? 5. Who is willing to correct it (the situation that is)? 6. How can we go back to a society that is just and fair? Some of my answers are: Blame - Politicians, Political Correctness, The Legal Society, The Press, The Media, and finally the Parents and their deteriorating standards. Correction - Dump the pollies, get rid of 95% of the Legal parasites, Make the Press and Media accountable for their tripe. Make parents responsible for their own lack of self discipline, and responsible for their actions so they can set an example for todays young generation. Make: No rights without responsibilities, a requirement of our society, and ditch the European Human Rights Bill. I am not the worlds best dad...I am what I am............but my lads and grandchildren say I'm better than any other dad or grand-dad.