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Originally Posted by mez
but wouldn't we all like to see some form of the birch back, its been very effective in the isle of man // why not here ?
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Use to be Mez..use to be. Been banned in the IOM for some considerable time. Initially, it was theoretically possible, but with the advent of the European Human Rights Act.....banned!!!
Nobody should have human rights without human responsibilities. :engsmil: :engsmil:
Punishment should fit the crime :engsmil: :engsmil:
Political Correctness must first be banned, and then thrown away!
BIRCHING?
When I joined the Royal Navy as a 15 year old, we had a severe punishment called "CUTS" which was a birch rod applied to the bare bum. The offender has either 6, 9 or 12 CUTS awarded as punishment for crimes such as Stealing, Going AWOL, Insubordination, fighting, and possessing an offensive weapon (Seamans knives were issued and OK). We had some real hard cases form London, Liverpool and Glasgow....but I only ever remember 1 getting that punishment more than once....simply ...it worked. I also remember going to the IOM with a gang of lads from Accy, 17 of us. We ran into a bit of trouble with some tough nuts from Glasgow (Glasgow Holiday fortnight) and we nearly came to blows. What stopped us, was the threat of the birch, which at the time (1965) was used to great effect in the IOM. Again...it worked.
I think all young people who offend should have one chance...and then the ceiling should fall in on them. Prison is not what it should be....hard labour is more like it. Fair but hard. Any priviledges (extra blankets, more food, books to read..and limited to that) must be earned. Any drugs will immediately mean loss of priviledges...and extra hard labour, or cold turkey for a year!
The problems have been exacerbated by the pollies, and the PC brigade who themselves should do hard labour for leading this country into the mess it has become.
But most of all...the law has to be seen to be done, and justice for the victim is paramount!