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Originally Posted by jaysay

I wonder why every time the plastic mancs fail they have to placate their short comings by trying to drag other teams into it, when you go round with that holier than thou attitude and "we are united and we do what we want" as a yardstick, you just can't take it when your seen to be lacking in the one department you want to succeed, Europe. Fergie has managed 2 titles in 17 attempts 1 courtesy of 2 injury time goals and the other from a miss kick by and opponent, not really a patch on Paisley, 3 titles in 6 attempts and that was in the day when you had to win it to be in it not come runners up. Is it any wonder that United are hated so much by other fans, its not so much the team but there arrogant trophy hunting fans that are the problem.

as the thread is "Champions League Final" i would say its n ability by some plastics to change direction - move the goalposts.