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Old 08-10-2011, 19:19   #82
Wynonie Harris
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Re: Ed Miliband

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Originally Posted by g jones View Post
My personal view is mixed and a lot of my reasons can be traced back to the old left and now the green agenda.

However I have a clear opinion on the outcome which will be to stay in. I just believe one side has everything going for it and the other hasn't. Whilst it is a vociferous debate now between those interested there are a huge number of people who are ambivalent, who don't buy the 'it's obvious' argument from either side and whose vote will need to be won. Like AV most people will start from the position of 'I don't know a lot about it'.

If you could bet i would wager 54-57 in 43-46 out on the spreads. That's a lot of people wanting us out, just short of a majority. I could be wrong but it is 49-51 now and I can o my see it going one way.
I can see where you're coming from. You think that if an imminent referendum triggered the debate in earnest, established political figures would weigh in with a pro-EU approach and the middle-of-the-road British voter would fall into line.

A few years ago that theory might have held good, but we live in interesting times now. People have been lied to, deceived, patronised and taken for granted by all mainstream political parties once too often and we don't believe any of them anymore. So why should we believe them on the merits of the EU?

There won't be a referendum because the politicians are frightened of the possible result, but if there was, I would bet you a pre-match pint in the Oak Lea that the "out" vote would win it!
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