[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Considering that Thursday's summit was supposed to solve the sovereign debt crisis affecting not only Europe, but the whole global financial system. It seems strange that all anyone can talk about is Britain saying "NO". Especially given that the decision to press ahead with treaty change, either with or without Britain, had already been taken by the Fuhererin and her court dwarf days before the summit took place.
A-B...it is always good to find someone you can shift the blame onto.
I don't think any of this has ever really centred on finding a solution to the Eurozone crisis......if there had been a suitable solution(other than breaking up the eurozone and ditching the Euro) it would have been sorted....weeks and weeks ago.
These repeated meetings have been to look like something is being done.....to placate the financial markets.

It strikes me that all this hoo-hah and stage managed outrage is masking something. There is something that was decided on Thursday night that the Fuhrerin does not want people to notice. What was anounced was nothing more or less than a re-presentation of the Maastricht Stability Pact. Which, given that they all effectively ignored and broke it the first time round, begs the question of why they would think anyone would be convinced by it at a second run around the block. Perhaps the Germans think that everyone is as economically illiterate as they appear to be. Maybe they are right.
I'm sure you are right about the diversion of attention.......they want all the member countries to do as they are bidden. To sleep walk into a situation where France and Germany call the shots...hold the trump cards....to hand over their sovereignty without a shot being fired...much more economical than a war.

One of the things that was decided on Thursday night, which very few have commented on, is that the EFSF will now be constituted and run by people who are totally immune from prosecution - for any action they take. They will not have to pay taxes on their earnings and they will not be subject to any outside scrutiny whatsoever. Additionally, they will have the power to issue demands to member countries for whatever amount of money they choose and members have just seven days to make it available - in full -or else! There is also to be no accountability of how they choose to disburse the money they raise.

Has there ever been any degree of accountability as to where any of the EU money has gone? Or for that matter how it was raised?
As far as I am aware, the EU has not had a budget audited and signed off for at least 14 years...but I am happy to be corrected if anyone knows anything different.
The EU is a totally corrupt organisation.
The whole set up is run by unelected bureaucrats who do just as they please...with no let or hindrance.......and I think this is not only undemocratic, but goes against the British sense of fair play.

On the whole, I think that The PM was right to say "NO". To paraphrase Groucho, I am not sure I would want to be a member of any club that had these jokers as members. Though I am certain that the stated reasons for his "NO" were a cover for his real agenda. It nevertheless will have the unintended consequence of making an 'IN-OUT' Referendum harder to resist.

It is going to be an interesting couple of weeks.

Expect some big surprises just after Christmas.

I think that some while back MargaretR suggested we wait for a long Bank Holiday weekend...and watch as the brown stuff hit the fan(my interpretation of what she said.....MargaretR didn't put it quite like that - but I think that is what she meant)...so you aren't on your own in thinking that A-B

I think this is what the chinese mean when they say that wish that you live in interesting times...their version of an insult.
I think we are going to live through some(for want of a better word)...interesting times.