[Margaret Pilkington]

No, we the sensible ones.....(for that is how I see those who can see through the spin of political smoke and mirrors) will not change much, despite the fact that we should be able to(through democratic process). And I have to say that I am open to reasoned discussion, and well thought out arguments, but as you have observed the same old, same old gets trotted out for a regular airing without any real thought having been put into what is being said, no real vision having been used, just the blinkered version that they are fed....they are just led by their own political dogma.
Ah well, never mind. What can you do when your shoes let the watter in(as my Gran used to say over an insoluble problem).