Chimney on rhyddings street
 

I mentioned this a few weeks ago on another thread, well anyway just been walking back from my dads and had a look at chimney, the top metal ring is hanging off:eek: would dread to think what would happen if that fell off and landed on somebody, plus its cracked all down the middle.Its more evident to see from the top of rhyddings street, i think i must be the only person thats noticed this, it really should be taken down because in my eyes its only a matter of time before something happens to it.

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report it and tell local papers thhen maybe get something done about it but then again??

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Is this the chimney, were shopfitters in that mill at one time. Fred Cooper and I repointed part of that chimney back in 1959, I don't think any one has touched it since. Those bands are held on with 3/4" whitworth bolts, some one will get a head ache if that band falls.
The clown hall should know who is responcible.

Retlaw.

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How tall is is it? - so that we can determine what area is at risk if it falls

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I think its about 150' tall, and by the look of it if the chimney fell it would be towards Charles St.
I took the picture from the top of Rhyddings St lookin down towards Union Rd.
Tried to find a place to photo from another angle but could'nt get a good place.

As you can see some of the brickwork is spauling and the crown above the top band looks bad.

Another couple of years of bad frosts and some of the top could be coming off.

Retlaw.

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Its been getting worse these last few years but that band has only come away in the last week, they took some of it down a few years back, because it was leaning more then, only reason i noticed it was i worked in the mill about 10 years ago.The thing im worried about is that its the bricks that are cracked and not the mortar.I think if we get more snow and winds in next few weeks that band will come down, but i cant imagine it being safe to go up there in this weather to remove it.

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Because of its octagonal shape the broken band is being held in place by the other corners, but if there is more spauling, then the bricks could push
on the band enough to loosen it.

Then it could come down and probably some of the upper brickwork as well. From the look of it that band should be further up the chimney, and it has slid down and is resting on the band below.

Retlaw.

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Yeah thats what i thought plus one of the bands came off a few years ago as you can clearly see on the picture.Who would be responsible for it or could the council take action as a matter of urgency.The top bricks look like theres no mortar left.

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I think your first port of call would be the local clown hall, they are supposed to look after the wellfare and well being of the inhabitants of the borough.
They should then contact whoever the owner is and issue an order for either mantainance or demolition.

The council have shown how much care they have for the inhabitants, what with gritting and such.
It all depends on how much political capital he who thinks he must be obeyed, can make out of it.

Probably swear blind they have already got the problem in hand, you'l need a sweeping up brush & shovel handy for all the bull sh1te he'l come out with

Retlaw.

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Try Cllr. Britcliffe, Rob ... details should be on yer calendar .. LOL.

Let him do the work, and let's see what he is made of .... :D

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Is posing for the camera's and gobbin off to the press at every opportunity classed as work, what does he actually do that justifies his existance.

Retlaw.

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Well babes let's find out should we? Think this chimney is in his ward anyway. We suspect he regularly looks in here ... if not, sure our darling Jaysay will report to the Commander :D

Treat this as a test case ... I await with interest.

By the way .. well done Rob for the concern. x

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If the council don't do anything we could ask the nearby cult to pray that no one is injured when it falls down.

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Leader:D

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I think that band might fall off today its hanging off by a thread now its swung all way round to the other side now so if it falls then its going to go through the factory roof, but like retlaw said some of the top might come away.I would have took a picture but i dont have a camera.If you look from where tescos is you can see how bad it is now.

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Have you reported it to anyone?

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Yeah ive rang doug hayes he is going to get onto peter britcliffe, so we will have to see what happens.Have you looked at the chimney.

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No but will when I go out.

Can't imagine why Doug had to ring Peter. He has been a Councillor long enough to know which Council Officers he needs to talk to :rolleyes:

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Well so long as something gets sorted, imo i dont know how they can remove it because if you put scaffolding up there is the danger that band will fall onto it, plus its to windy.Best view is on tescos carpark.

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I know someone who telephoned Peter this week, and was told he's unavailable because he's away on holiday.

Let's hope nothing falls off in the meantime.

Procrastination can sometimes result in death or injury, Cllr. Hayes.

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If it is such a danger to the public would it be a Police matter? The area may need securing in a similar way they did when the roof blew of the warehouse next to the Commercial in Church.

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So long as its made safe then thats all what people should care about, im glad i dont work in that mill anymore though.

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Good point neil, im just glad i flagged it up because its been something ive been watching with interest for a while now.I dont know know if the police could cordon it off.Did you manage to have a look at it.

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Damn sure that if it is that bad I would be ringing emergency services before someone gets hurt or worse.

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Not been out yet, its my birthday so I am being lazy. Might have a look when I go to feed the goats in the park.

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erm....has anyone actually told anyone about this? like maybe the police or someone who can sort some sort of safety measures out?

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1262189970

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...1&d=1262189970

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I went for a look earlier and it does not look to have moved from the last picture

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...-rhyddings.jpg

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If that doesnt fall tonight i will be amazed, im just glad people know about it but if it doesnt how on earth can you take it down.

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the whole chimney stack looks dodgy to me

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This is taken from the Rhyddings Conservation Area document on Hyndburn Borough Council's website
So it looks like the chimney stack grade 2 listed.

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all the bricks are cracked down the middle it was bad before buts its even worse now they took about foot 40 foot off the the top of it about 5 years ago, i dont know why they just didnt take it all down its not serving any purpose, but i guess its all down to money, if that band falls and hits someone its goodnight and godbless.

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they would have to get the garde 2 status taken off it to remove it. I am surprised they were allowed to take 40 foot off it. Then again the Council are a sack of you know what when it comes to this conservation area.

Nothing is being actively conserved by them. They don't even enforce planning requirements correctly. Just look at some of the windows and sky lights that are on the front of some of the houses.

I have already asked if the Park can be taken out of the conservation area. I even joked about how the Friends could sue the Council for not conserving the park within the conservation area

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Its about time those idiots that grade things like
chimneys in need of demolition, were made to justify their existence, first off by paying for it, instead of forcing other people to mantain a pile of rubble.
I don't think the band will fly off because of its shape, it may jump the next band and slide down further, unless the opposite side snaps, then it will go with a bump. More than likely some of those loose bricks on the top course, which that band was supporting will fall first.

Retlaw.

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Im all for conservation and preserving history and heritage but if its dangerous then the only sensible thing is to take it down.I somehow doubt you would be saying this if it fell down on your house.

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Im amazed at reading neils post, i could have kept my mouth shut and said nothing but because i think i was the only person thats been watching this chimney i could have said nothing and then get up one morning and put bbc news on and see chimney collapses in oswaldtwistle killing x number of people, never mind the flamin conservation when you can see its clearly dangerous, but if you want to live near to a dangerous building after being told then what can you do.At the end of the day even if its 150 years old its falling to bits everything comes to an end, if that chimney fell and killed somebody we wouldnt be talking about conservation.

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It should all be pull down,but once more, what would it cost and who would pay for it when they say times are hard.

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It is in a conservation area so whoever owns it should be told they have to make it save and conserve the chimney. If they don't then the Council should carry out the work and take the owner to court to recover the costs.

If they are not prepared to do that then they should scrap the whole idea of conservation areas.

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Them as owns it.
A court order for its demolition
because it is dangerous, would not be
swayed by we can't afford it.

Retlaw.

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I know what your saying but i cant see whoever owns the factory forking out alot of money on repairing the chimney.

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Sorry but am I missing something here? If the chimney is grade one, two or three listed surely whoever owns it knew that when they bought it? If you buy property that is listed are you not compelled to preserve it?

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Exactly right and the Council should enforce the planning requirements for it

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The Grade II listing is nothing to do with the council's self imposed conservation area, which as you hinted at is the biggest crock of unconserved crap going, with no accurate conservation details, and certainly no power to stop people from doing what the hell they like, within the normal planning procedures, which are applicable everywhere.

I'm sure everyone agrees Rob did the right thing, highlighting something which looks dangerous.

People do die every year because of falling masonry etc, caused by storms.

If it looks even more precarious I think it would be a good idea to inform the police, that there is such potential danger on a busy residential street.

Let them find out who is responsible, or at least put up warning signs regarding any danger.

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They have powers, I just don't think they use/enforce them

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Probably cos it aint n easy option/soft target.:rolleyes:

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Well that show's they are powerless!

My parents used to own a property in a consevation area in Pembrokeshire. There were very clear guidlines, and if they were broke you had to un-do the work, and were heavily fined.

They had power.

Not really about the chimney, but two threads illustrating the ineffectiveness of Hyndburn's so called conservation areas, but at least we can read about it in Urdo and Arabic.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ans-37332.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rea-22124.html

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Just had a wander past, the metal band is still the same, but they have fenced off the entrance to the global centre.Im glad its being acted on.I expect they will do something fairly quick now.

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I spoke to the police earlier and they found bolts on the ground which had fallen from that band.

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wow that sounds scary

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It is yeah the craziest thing i cant understand however is they were working in the unit this morning, at least they cordoned that corner off.I have a feeling when they come to remove that band they might close rhyddings street off.

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Coming back from the pub last night there was some notices on the metal barriers saying, mackies bar use entrance on the back of catlow hall street, ive never heard off a mackies bar before.Anyone know where it is.

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Its in the Global conference centre

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I think it is the coffee bar in Global

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It sounds like a secret speakeasy.
I was amazed to find this
Mackies Bar Oswaldtwistle

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Just googled it, i never knew there was a bar in there, it looks quite smart.

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I wouldn't fancy the job of laddering that chimney, with all that bad mortar and spalling brickwork there's nothing subsantial to drive the dogs into.

Then you have to erect a flying scaffold.
when the next bands are removed, the question is what else is likely to come loose.

It will have to come down brick by brick.

It should have been done 20 years ago.

Retlaw.

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Thats what i thought i mean you could start scaffolding it get halfway up then the band might fall onto it.I dont know much about chimney demolition but i bet it will be very costly.

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Never seen a chimney being scaffolded from the bottom, you ladder the chimney and erect a flying scaffold near the top, I've attached a picture showing how the first part of the scaffold is attached to the chimney.
When your up there, one thing you never do is step back to admire your work.

Retlaw.

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Rather you than me Retlaw I get Virtigo if I get on the kitchen stool:D

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I Spent 30 years of my life up and down ladders, can't do it any more, not since I had an operation for a subdural hematoma at Royal Preston, My daughters have now banned me from climbing ladders.

I've tried but when I get to the top for some reason my balance has gone, its not vertigo tho just balance, I get disorientated.

Retlaw.

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Be interesting to see what they do with this chimney, with all this snow now, especially if it freezes.

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will probaby be safer.................... until it thaws.:D

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I imagine they will do something this week.I dont think the global centre will be to happy with the main entrance being closed off for to long.I wonder how long it would take to take a chimney down that size brick by brick.Be interesting to know how much it would cost, maybe retlaw might know.

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They did the one on Lonsdale St brick by brick, they even counted them as there was a competition going at the time to guess how many bricks there was, I never did here the amount

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Haven't a clue, its a while since I helped me old mate Fred on Chimneys.
First it will take 3-4 men to ladder the thing and put the scaffold up, next they will need a chute to drop the bricks down, then wagons to sift the rubble (100,000 bricks) and men to load the wagons, how much does that come to in wages,
at todays rates for a fortnights work.
More than likely try to get away with reducing it to about 20/30 ft and leave it, theres not much room to work round the bottom of that site.
Fred and I laddered the chimney from the back alley that runs from Rhyddings St to Charles St.

Retlaw.

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They wouldnt be able to get to bottom of the chimney because they have breeze blocked the open unit off where the chimney is.It got called the filing cabinet because allsorts got chucked in there, when i worked there.

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Its on LET website about chimney.

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Link here Oswaldtwistle street cordoned off over Chimney fears (From Lancashire Telegraph)

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beat me to it Neil

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Its an age thing :p

Nice story in the LET, Peter the hero has saved the day :rolleyes::D

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It's not really what happened Neil, but it doesn't do any harm to to let him think that he's sorted it all out.

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Well, at least he has acted on concerns from people like Rob, which is good to see. So brownie point to him.

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Is the chimney taller than the one at woodnook which they brought down the other week.

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Not sure but if they are going to remove the lower bricks, prop it up with wood then set fire to it I want to watch :D

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lol, doubt they will do that, tho the whole mill site is a mess.They could do alot with all that land if they put it to good use and started again.Even oswald house looks like its fallin to bits.

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No the one on Rhyddings St is much shorter, and they can't fell it like the Highams one no room,
it will have to be brick by brick.
Retlaw.

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How will they remove the bands especially the one hanging off.If they use a chute to get the bricks down, how do you get the bands down.

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cut them up in situ and drop them down the chute I would guess

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Im glad its not me going up there, like retlaw said before the whole chimney looks dodgy.If i can remember rightly the owner of the mill lived down london however it could have changed ownership by now.I think he owned oswald house to.I dont think anyone will fancy climbing a chimney in this snow and ice tho.

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Also noticed another potential hazard, anyone who walks down the left hand side of rhyddings street just before the entrance to that mill, watch out for a large slab thats hanging off, that looks like it might fall of aswell.

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Chimney should be secure whilst this frost lasts.:D

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Why don't they just give it some Viagra?

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Can you spare any of yours? :rolleyes::D

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No, I fed mine to the goldfish.

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Just had a wander past, they have put a ladder on the chimney, no sign of anything being took off yet tho.

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What do you think they will do? Repair the band and thats it?

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Not sure neil, they might just take the top two bands off and take the top off the chimney but i could be wrong.

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Noticed this myself Rob .. took below as I passed this afternoon. Will have to open to see ladder .. sorry, light was fading.

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The top band that was hanging off was removed this morning.I dont know if any of the top has been taken off tho, will have another look tomorrow.Made me feel queasy tho watching the two workmen at the top, i'd imagine theyre on alot of money.

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Done care how much money they're on you would get me up there for a million, I get vertigo standing on the kitchen steps:D

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The chimney must be taking one hell of a battering tonight, with these winds.I'm still surprised nothings been done about it, since the mill burnt down.I'm just glad i dont live on rhyddings street when its blowin a gale.

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Agreed.

Apparently there are calls to save it, as a historic monument.

Probably from people not living anywhere within striking distance of it.

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Don't see how they can save or preserve it when its falling to bits, but I agree it will probably be people living a long way away that want it saving.I just hope that nothing serious were to happen because if it did, when all the warning signs were there, and all the attention it has had, I wouldnt like to be held accountable to it

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You won't.

You've done more than your fair share to highlight the danger it poses.

Others would have to be held accountable.

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I know it's a long shot but it wouldn't cost about 10k would it ? :D

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Ya G usually English Heritage, they're very good at wanting to save things like this but less forthcoming when the money needs finding to do so:mad:

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I see you connection Dave, but the truth is that to save this, the financing for the project would be expected to be met by the owner, who, will not get any benefit out of the exercise what so ever. If it was saved what use would it be? None, and I can assure you it would cost far in excess of 10k matey

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I don't live near it but if it was to fall I would feel the pain just as if I did because, It's a chimney of no use whatsoever get it knocked down, the area cleaned up and modern factory units in place, maybe that would attract jobs to the area?:)

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But to do that Less you'd need a very very sharp pair of scissors:rolleyes:to cut through all the flaming red tape, I know a little about what went on when the first fire happened, there are so many faceless wonders sicking their ore in its unbelievable

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Whoever set the fires didn't really think about it did they?

Chimneys are fireproof.
:)